Anyways Rothschild and the round table freemasonry got us here……evil people doing evil things the creation of Zionism through the sabbatean frankist movement
Jeremy Bowen admits his Gaza hospital bombing article was "wrong" but "doesn't regret it" People went out and attacked synagogues the day after he made that report. He should be fired.
What synagogues? I saw his interview yesterday and what he said he got wrong was the hospital had been destroyed, but tbf if we think back, so were many other news channels and reporters who were watching those live pictures of the whole place ablaze. And to be clear that was all, he didn't make any accusations as to who was responsible. Bowen is by far the best reporter in the middle east, he's been covering it for 30 yrs and is head and shoulders above every other journo out there (except possibly Shireen Abu Akleh who was murdered by the IDF) Btw I question why certain papers are targeting him today. Just over a week ago he questioned what the IDF had been claiming about Al Shifa. From that moment there's been an active campaign by pro-Israel organisations and the likes of The Jewish Chronicle, The Times of Israel, The Telegraph, and The Express to attack and discredit Bowen and get him taken off. At one point there were rumours last week the BBC had pulled him out for his own safety. These are the very same newspapers who've leapt onto this today, over a 10 second remark in a 5 min interview about so much more he'd been reporting about out there, and they've spun it to attack him again personally.
Ok Hamas use civilians as human shields. But you still know the civilians are there, you can probably see them, and you're still pulling the trigger and firing those rockets knowing there are hundreds/thousands of innocent men, women and children there. If you listen to the Israelis, the way it looks is they've got Hamas fighters in their line of fire, they're lining up the cross, all going well... Then just as they pull the trigger, all the Hamas fighters suddenly usher a hundred civilians in front of them. Boom! Those poor IDF soldiers throw their arms up in the air and sigh "oh ffs!" Seriously who buys this bollox and why doesn't anyone challenge them on this bullshit excuse for mass murder?
I'm genuinely not. I see no difference between Russia using that excuse as I do Israel tbh. I probably shouldn't have posted given there is a ceasefire which thankfully will extend for another 2 days at least, but I've heard it a few times today and had to post about it.
Hamas' main training and staging site for the Oct 7th attacks was located just 1.2km away from the main UN aid distribution centre. You can quite quickly appreciate why Israel sees these organisations and their representatives as having zero credibility or moral fibre. I highly recommend the book 'Tower of Babble' which is a damning critique of the UN's various missions across the Middle East and their vast operation of siphoning off cash in return for very little actual support. The appendix gives a list of hundreds of UNWRA employees who were on the payroll of known terrorist organisations and used their UN privileges to come and go as they pleased and gain access to funds and resources. The flipside here is that as more information emerges on the intelligence failures, I just can't see how even Netanyahu with his teflon politics can survive this. He has to go.
I will preface my comments by saying that I do not condone the killing of innocent civilians. I will also preface them by saying that I do think the atrocities of Oct 7th were so appalling, they created a fervour in Israel for a harsher response than ever before. But I will also say this: One major difference between Russia or indeed any army in the history of modern warfare and Israel, is the fact that Israel gives advance warning to areas to evacuate. From a purely strategic perspective, this is the most insane thing you can do as it hands the enemy an escape route. While this isn't a perfect science and 'safe' zones have indeed come under attack, the sheer statistics show that it is largely working. According to most leading military experts, the density of Gaza's population subject to the amount of ordnance used by Israel means we should be seeing hundreds of thousands dead. That hasn't happened and it clearly isn't because Israel doesn't know how to aim - this is one of the most advanced armies in the world. It is because the evacuation orders were largely adhered to and have largely worked. Whether you or anyone else thinks those orders are fair or just is irrelevant to your main point. No other army in history has done this. America and it's allies didn't do it in Iraq or Afghanistan and for good reason: they were worried Taliban fighters would use safe corridors as an escape route disguised as civilians. Israel knows this risk but takes it anyway, which in the grand scheme of a war zone is absolute madness. It is no coincidence that the moment the truce was announced, who could be seen taking the Salah al-Din road back north? Young men of fighting age and barely anyone else. They are returning to the region to regroup and prepare for Round Two. Ultimately, this is the sad reality of war. Innocent people die. If you don't believe Israel had a right to respond after Oct 7th, even one civilian casualty is a war crime, because the war itself intrinsically lacks justification. Fosse, Diego, Pinkie and others clearly believe this. I wasn't under the impression that you were of the same opinion but maybe your opinion has hardened as the conflict has dragged on? On the other hand, if you believe that Israel did have the right and indeed the responsibility to respond, the question becomes much, much harder to answer. I know this because I've been asking it on here for over a month and not a single person has come close to answering it. Largely because we all know **** all about military strategy, don't know nearly enough about Gaza as a region, don't know nearly enough about how exactly Hamas has embedded itself in the civilian infrastructure, don't know nearly enough about wider geopolitics etc. etc. So we build our opinions on emotions more than facts. We see a number of casualties that is absolutely extremely high! But then we extrapolate backwards from there that QED what we are looking at is a war crime, massacre, ethnic cleansing etc. The questions remain: If Israel was justified in responding, what should its response have been? What should it have done differently? In the wider context of removing or at least disarming Hamas, how many civilian casualties are acceptable? How many is too many? On what basis do you reach that numerical conclusion? Bottom line is, no one on here knows nearly enough about the points I raised above to answer these questions in a constructive way. The best attempts I've seen are: to not kill any civilians i.e. if it is known that civilians have ignored an evacuation order and are still in the vicinity of military targets, don't fire. This is pie in the sky stuff and is the surest way to lose a war. As above, not a single army in the history of the world would conduct a war like that. Another attempt was: Israel shouldn't use air or artillery support and should've launched a ground invasion only. Again, pie in the sky stuff that leads to, according to all data modelling, exponentially higher death rates on both sides.
Quick question for you. We know how roughly many civillians have died in the "war" (around 14000). How many Hamas fighters have been successfully iradicated?
We don't know either of those figures for sure yet. Both will need to be independently verified and not by Hamas controlled ministeries or the IDF. It needs to be fully impartial. And if you are insinuating what I think you are, what is your position on the matter? In the absurd game of numbers, how many civilian casualties is too many? What is an acceptable ratio of fighters:civilians? You, like everyone else on here (myself included), haven't the expertise to answer that.
Any civillian casualties is too many though i accept they will happen in all conflicts. My view is that Isreal could very easily have gone into Gaza with the far superior equipment and trained military to root out the terrorists with a much lower casualty rate of the innocent. Instead they have decided to carpet bomb the place (knowing full well it wouldn't destroy the tunnel network Hamas use) in order to clear the area of people and flatten the buildings. I would not be at all surprised to see them grabbing most of the desolate land for yet another settlement and extending Israel into Gaza to provide some kind of "buffer zone".
... all very well ... but skipping through the rhetoric - you still end up with 15,000 dead Palestinians and, according to one Unicef official, the most child casualties seen in any conflict he has experienced in half a century ...
The WHO have confirmed 14,500 dead Palestinians (to date), plus we also know that there are many more bodies lying unrecovered beneath the rubble of destroyed civilian accommodation ... or are you saying that the WHO is dealing in misinformation? - if so, why?
