In answer to your other question, I said I know people in the Scots Guards and the Royal Regiment of Scotland, not that I had lots of friends, and actually I wouldn't choose this forum to discuss why. In fact it is irrelevant, I am sure you take the point that members of these two regiments serve the crown proudly as described in my post above. In point of fact I was 11 years old during the Falkland's conflict, and 2 Para fought the battle of Goose Green. I also know plenty of Scots from a non military background who see themselves as British. Not that I necessarily approve of their politics have you heard of Glasgow Rangers. I assume by diss you mean disrespect? If so I would contend that you are consuming media which will confirm your own prejudices, not necessarily taking the broadest base of evidence to form your views.
I don't read the Sunday Mail and neither do I use those stores but I would be interested to know how many British people actually applied to the roles vis a vis other nationalities, perhaps you can supply those figures as well. Could it be the case that many British people looking for work don't apply for jobs in those eateries as the pay is low. The electoral canvass is not the same as the referendum just for the record. It is compiled every year by law for the register of voters and the vast majority of people canvassed state their nationality as British. That includes people from Scotland as well living in this area. Perhaps you should try it then you'll see first hand exactly what I am saying. The nationalities are not given to people, they are asked to decribe their own nationality and there are no prompts, still most people see themselves as British.
Ponders, why would I burn the flag of St George, I'm English, but it is neither my nationality nor my ethnicity. Also I'm still keen to know what I'm an apologist for.
I think people are missing the most important points in this discussion. a) Is Nando's any good? I've never been. ii) Charlton are top of the league
Sorry, I'm not quite sure I am understanding you on this one chartonpat? I stated in a round about way, that people would regard themselves as British in regards to information for authority (i.e. by law), hence the reason I stated it is NOT a good canvass of people's true opinions. An example I would give is that if you travelled on a Visa Waiver then you would be required to state British is my understanding, hence if you stated English, you could be refused entry. Which takes me back to what I said about the ease of world travel and border controls, people have come accustomed (by requirement) to state British, in the same way someone holds a British passport.
No I'm quite capable of putting a point of view across without making personal attacks or belitting others with different views or bullying retorts which is what I seem to get on here. As I said to you I do not see myself as English even though born in Southwark but British and European and am happy with that identity. I don't need to attack immigrants, many of whom work hard and have contributed overwhelmingly to the NHS and transport to name two examples. I don't like or read the Guardian either and as for your take over comments you seem to be confusing separate issues about people who don't have the legal right to work in the UK and those who do and contribute to the economy and pay taxes. Perhaps you should rain your attacks on the government and why border controls are so weak unlike other European countries rather than posters on here.
Why are you not English, Leaburn? I must apologise as I only saw your comment about English not being a nationality and rapidly withdraw my words - if you will allow me to? Does the constitution decide what your nationality is? You can make your own decision, surely? I alway put English on forms etc, but to be honest, I long for the days of Alfred's Wessex. People will make fun of me for that, but in no way will I ever consider myself British and I am proud of that fact. The term British is too generic for my liking and reminds me that we have been flooded with immigrants - that is just the way I think - sorry, Pat.
IA- Nandos is quality. I recommend my local, Croydon, which has a very friendly, hardworking staff, and have the medium peri-peri sauce first time, build up to the hot. http://m.youtube.com/index?desktop_uri=/&gl=GB#/watch?v=_uQuKV4CCHk
I think people are more than capable of discerning their own nationality and don't see the difference between authority and non authority in this regard. What surprised me this time is how many people described themselves as UK and how few as English and that's white voters as well.
Sorry back again. Matter of honour the Scots guard were at goose green. Mount tumbledown I think alongside 2 para and the caterers from Nandos in Croydon.
Pat, do we need to import people to come and work here when we have so many on the dole? The excuse about our own people not wanting to work is lazy and deeply insulting. There may be some who prefer the easy life and suffer from sticky-mattress syndrome, but not enough to justify the ridiculous influx of eastern-Europeans and Asians. We do not need them. FACT. I am not talking skilled workers, by the way. Why do you have an aversion to being English? I am interested to know. In MY opinion, the death of national pride has been the death of this once great nation. It is now a midden, suffering under the weight of imported degradation.
Nationality is a matter of constitution. I'm not going to make fun of you, although I must say I'm slightly saddend that your view is that immigration since Alfred is all bad, you must be very sure of your own lineage or must be wishing yourself out of existence. On the subject of the Mail I have read much of what you post and while I don't always agree with you it is clear that you are a well read man and your views are informed by a broad spectrum of media and experience, I am just as suspicious of what you might call liberal apologists who only quote the Guardian, and reserve the right to "diss" Typical if he quotes two sources from such similar stables.
I think there is a problem with numbers from some countries such as Eastern European ones and wouldn't totally disagree as I think the UK had the option to impose quotas but unfortunately a previous govt didn't do this unlike other EU countries such as France and Germany which did. You then get a situation where resources are stretched and overpopulation. However there are many people who have settled well into the country, work hard and contribute to their communities in fighting crime etc and I don't know why anyone would have a problem with that. I do not see myself as English and never have done but British European as tracking ancestory can be interesting finding that we are all mixed up, just as I like it.
Some authority forms require you to to state British or UK, I believe 'English' is not an accepted response, people can still write it but in some cases their form of address could be rejected. So I believe there is a difference in what someone could be accustomed to stating to authority. Obviously we will have to agree to disagree on this one.
Typical, you're right about Tumbledown, I was only 11, but I think it a distraction to my main point that BRITSH servicemen from Scotland are a clear example of British Scots.
Cheers, Leaburn. I was worried I may have alienated someone else. I don't do it on purpose; I just believe in being open to the point of brutality. I never said that I am opposed to immigration in all of its forms. My wish for Wessex is based on the ideals of education, law and religion - not the people within. Besides, in the days of Alfred, immigrants were coming to these shores from the Orient and quickly became part of society. As for my own heritage, I am a Jute. I have traced my lineage back as far as 11th century Cent and hope to go earlier depending on a request made to the Bishop of Rochester. I also have Jewish, Frisian and Dane blood in my family line. By the way, I do not read the Daily Mail. I buy the Football League Paper and the The People - the latter because I like its puzzle supplement. I use the term 'apologist' for those who think we owe the world a living because of Queen Victoria's greed. Nothing more than that, I am afraid.
I bought the People today, my grandmother used to read it. I noticed fairly good coverage of the Brentford game.
They always do a great spread for the Charlton games, Pat. They are excellent for my son's scrapbook.
POEA: Why can't you write a coherent piece of English? What you say is gobbledeygook. Focus, can't you?
