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Match Day Thread Swansea v Hull City

Discussion in 'Hull City' started by Chazz Rheinhold, Nov 22, 2023.

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City win?

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  1. Mckechnie Orange

    Mckechnie Orange Well-Known Member

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    Were they?

    But considering Oscar was a free and the replacements came with a fee, then perhaps consider the overall value of the deal?
     
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  2. WSTiger

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    yes Tufan did not do much but he was playing as a second striker, against Huddersfield played deeper in the second half and gave a good account of himself and was much more influential. Prefer him in that postion to Twine
     
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  3. Benjo

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    Some thoughts from today's game...

    That dummy Tufan made for the Greaves chance shows why he's in the squad. Even when he's not firing on all cylinders he's got a level of nous many others don't have. And we're conveniently forgetting the goals he's come up with if people are talking about selling him.

    I don't get the Twine criticisms. I think he plays well and just needs that one goal to kick on. I'd certainly keep him in and around the starting lineup.

    Allsop not great for the goals conceded but Macca had an absolute stinker today which in no way helped.

    Our first goal came from moving the ball up the pitch quickly and directly. Philogene able to find space and lo and behold a good goal comes from it. Most other attempts needed something special as we were constantly having to try and break through a set defensive line. We look so much better with two proper wingers on the pitch as it affords us more space and enables us to get up the pitch quicker as a result.

    Take a bow Christie.

    Fed up of Seri's edge of box efforts hitting row Z, but with quicker play we'd be getting efforts off before it gets pulled back to him to be fair.

    Hats off to Rosenior for making changes at half time. They made such a big difference. Feels like two points dropped but after the goals we conceded it's kind of impressive to be feeling like we deserved to win it by the end. Could easily have turned into a dry bumming.
     
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  4. John Ex Aberdeen now E.R.

    John Ex Aberdeen now E.R. Well-Known Member

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    It's a trade-off, I agree defensively he does look short of pace, but going forward he is affective. Both him and Vinagre are more wing backs than full backs.
     
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  5. John Ex Aberdeen now E.R.

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    I think sometime after him being away on International duty, now we have Morton, he maybe should be rested. I've been to Cote D'Ivoire many times, and the heat and humidity is stifling, so playing in that heat and then long flight back, must have an effect on him. I've played golf there a few times, and just walking round takes a lot out of you.
     
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  6. PLT

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    Good comeback obviously, but I find the celebrating of a draw just because it could've been worse a bit weak. We should be sick by now of drawing games we've dominated.

    We absolutely need to get to the bottom of why every other team needs so much less dominance, less chances and less shots to score than we do. How many times now have we been on top and conceded against the run of play around 20 minutes in? I find it incredibly frustrating that we can dominate week in week out but repeatedly not get the points we should do. 7th is a decent league position, but it could and should be better with the performances that we produce. We shouldn't be sat on 7 wins all season when we've dominated the vast majority of our games, and we shouldn't be going two goals down like it's no big deal today whilst hardly ever going two goals up ourselves.
     
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  7. SydneyTiger14

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    Interesting that at HT 2-0 down everyone was saying the performance was awful and we didn't deserve to win the game, but when we score two goals and claw back a point it's a performance where we should have easily won the game and shouldn't have conceded against the run of play. You're starting to fall into the same trap as others.

    I do agree the second half performance should and could have resulted in more goals and therefore a win, but you can't seriously be critical of 'only' rescuing a point from 2-0 down.
     
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  8. Mckechnie Orange

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    We had a **** 6 minutes but fought back.

    Over a championship season that's gonna happen at some point.

    That we fought back, rescued a point and slightly unlucky not to take 3 bodes well.
     
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    In the context of being 2-0 down, sure the draw is decent. We'd all have taken it at half time. But on the whole it's another result where we should have had more. We shouldn't have been two down. We don't get more points for this draw than we would for a home one against a crap side. It's still 1 point and we get too many of those. If we were an average side then I'd be happy with an away point and with several others we've got, but we're a bloody good side at 90% of the game and we sell ourselves short points wise very regularly by not being clinical enough at either end.

    Now despite me saying this, in that second half we actually were more clinical than usual and that got us the point. But in the first half by being wasteful at one end and soft at the other we gave ourselves a mountain to climb and got into a position where a draw became the best we could realistically hope for, and we really shouldn't have been in that position.
     
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  10. SydneyTiger14

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    Yep, it was frustrating, but can't think of too many poor performances of that scale from Allsop so I'm not getting to worked up over it. As someone else said, it's not like it's the same issues every game, and the fact Rosenior was able to make changes at half time to rescue the game is commendable.
     
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  12. John Ex Aberdeen now E.R.

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    To come from 2-0 down away from home, credit to LIam and the players for pulling it back and getting a draw. Both their goals were against the run of play and both goals were a result of poor defending by Macca and goalkeeping by Allsop IMO. Chances are Ingram would have saved both, but certainly for the first goal Macca was all over the place.

    Great credit to Liam whose subs change the game, Lokilo and Christie certainly change the dynamics of the game, and gave Jaden more room to work on the other flank. Having 2 wingers on the pitch makes us much more balanced.

    Seri was not at his best, better 2nd half, but maybe after his international duties he was feeling the effects of that. Morton was very good again, and took his goal beautifully. Coyle/Jones and Greaves had good steady games, and Twine I through did well, gets though a lot of work unnoticed.

    Philogene is class, and as mention got more room to work second half and took his goal really well. Delap was unlucky to have his goal rules out, it was touch and go whether he was off side, very tight decision and could have gone either way.

    A game we could and probably should have won, and particularly if Allsop had not spilled the ball for the 2nd goal, I think we would have gone on to get the 3 points. Anyhow, overall he has done okay for us in goal, so just have to put it down to an off day.

    A point on the road is never to be sniffed at, I was asked by Swansea podcast to give my prediction on the game and went for 2-2, so got that one right at least.

    Fingers crossed we can get 3 points against Rotherham and Watford then this point will look a lot better.

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  13. Mckechnie Orange

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    4 points from the next 2 I reckon.

    Had us down for the draw today.

    That 6 minute brain fart excepted though, we should have had the win.

    So it was deffo an opportunity wasted in the cold light of day.

    But the comeback showed they're playing for the coach and each other.

    And that in itself is a good sign.
     
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  14. HCAFCHangout

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    Still unsure if he's in line with the ball
     
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  15. Mckechnie Orange

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    My gut reaction is off, but we probably get that decision at home with the crowd up.

    It's very slight.
     
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  16. SydneyTiger14

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    Looks off to me, and the fact he didn't celebrate because he knew he was off is enough for me.
     
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    Vinagre out with a hamstring injury. ROBUST.
     
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  18. jhe10

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    I thought definitely offside as he's ahead of the last man. but now seeing the freeze frame he doesn't look ahead of the ball. Anyway, fantastic that one of our lads got his first ever goal for us, as relayed by the Swansea Independent:
    "However, the warning signs were there when a move at pace resulted in a well taken equaliser by Jayden Bowen."​
    https://www.fansnetwork.co.uk/footb...ee-points-away-in-the-second-half-v-hull-city
     
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  19. TIGERSCAVE

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    Their two goals are exactly what we should be doing so much more of...
     
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    Macca was all over the place for the first goal because once again Greaves was miles out of position upfield and hadn't the speed to get back leaving Macca to cover too many attackers - Greaves is not a left back and the same thing happened against Huddersfied with Greaves being moved from left back and all of a sudden we play much better - personally I'd take Greaves off rather than Macca because at least Macca can head the ball but either way ,Greaves at left back is not good move
     
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