I’m only enjoying the Championship because we’ve got the best team in it but that won’t last if we stay down Those who want to remain in this division, ask yourself if you’d like to be in it without Rutter, Ampadu, Summerville, Gnonto, James and Piroe. You’ll soon be complaining when we’re relying on Bamford, Roberts and Geldhardt, it doesn’t matter how good you think Farke is.
Don’t think anyone including me want to stay in it but if it’s a choice between winning lots of games in it or being a disgrace in the pl I’ll opt for the championship. How are the promoted teams from last season doing again
The point is that we owe alot of money in transfer fees. That puts us way behind the 8 ball regarding FFP in the next 18 months. With the JKA court case, the loan clauses not going away (unless we go up) allowing over £100 million of transfer fees to just walk for free, the loss of parachute payments and rich owners not able to invest due to regulations the future would be grim if we don't balance the books by having at least one year back in the PL. We won't be winning games in the Championship for much longer if we don't go up this season. Points deductions hover on the horizon mate and they won't go away. They get closer every passing month. The future of the club is at stake so although it's nice beating Watford at home this season, it won't be much good in 18 months time when we sit bottom with points deductions and owners wanting to sell to the next Cellino.
It’s an interesting debate with Eire about this. You make a very good point about being in this division without the players you mentioned. You have to wonder though, particularly when you look at Burnley, whether any or all of them are good enough to keep us in the premier league. For the record I’m enjoying this season much more than last but I do want us to be promoted.
Burnley got promoted last season mainly because the loan market was used and the relationship with Man City. This season they have a skint yank owner who can only do so much and like the blunts they got promoted with a couple of decent players and some solid championship players but as their owner is a skint arab they cannot buy top quality so both will probably drop. Forest got promoted based upon the loan market and then had an owner who did invest heavily and trusted his head coach. They scraped through and this season after adding further players are doing ok
If were to believe all the hype about the 49ers endless wealth, they will be well able to look after any outstanding bills if were not promoted.
But typically 75% plus of the 150m pl funds are used for players salaries, another chunk on transfers. Do you really think there will be anything left to cover the rats or the jka fiasco. No, promoted or not the 49ers will have to eventually foot that themselves because unless were able to invest a minimum of 100m a year in quality players wed be a pl joke again
Problem is Eire, doesn’t matter how much cash they’ve got, they can’t just chuck it at the club and say “here goes do whatever”. If I understand the FFP and Profit and Loss rules correctly, it roughly translates to generated income set against expenditure. We might not like that, but we would likely be bollocksed if we stayed down, say 2 seasons.
There are ways of getting around some of that through youth investment, improving facilities etc. I don't pretend to understand it all but surely if all our pl money is effectively already spent if we get there then that becomes a complete waste of time having an owner with money and virtually guarantees us to go straight back down again. Also aren't there changes in line from next season to ffp, I also don't understand any of that either
Wasn’t aware of potential changes to FFP down the road, and there may be ways to somehow circumvent some of any potential losses. But for me, having lived through the **** that followed going into administration, I’d like the club to steer away from any potential risk of doing it again. Like you if we do get promoted I’d like us to be competitive, but as much as I’m really enjoying this season, I’d like it to be a one year stay over. I don’t like the money oriented PL but sadly clubs outside it are generally forgotten about by the media. I don’t have the privilege of watching us “in the flesh” every week. So as a “plastic” fan I miss the club not being a name. Sad - but true. MOT
Plenty of clubs in the PL aren't spending £100M per season and seem to be doing perfectly fine. Brighton Palace Brentford Wolves West Ham Fulham All those clubs are no better than us and we should at the very least be in and amongst them.
All several seasons there so gradually improving. Wed be arriving up as it stands with maybe four players capable of playing at that level. Loanees that will likely go back where they came from. That leaves a dozen players that'll need recruiting. Kinnear has already said a major mistake was going for middle of road 10 to 20m players and they're not up to the job so presume theyll have to shop at a higher level. That means a possible expenditure of upwards of 300m to reach the level you're hoping for. Still have a few feet of rope if you're stuck by the way
Plentyof ways of getting around some of the FFFP rules and Leeds have been doing that and before we got promoted, Radz and Orta have much to be proud of and were the biggest part of our promotion but everyone seems to have forgotten that. Investing in the academy to get it up to A1 European/Premier League standard, even though we were only playing National league stuff. Huge investment that and then investing in top kids from around Britain and even Italy, Spain, Finland, Norway, Holland. The academy then won the league then won the National league and cup and then got promoted to the Premier league before the first team did. Then bringing in Bielsa who rebuilt the foundations from the ground up. All that investment you can deduct from the FFFP books and thats why Radz wanted to buy another club so that we would become a multi club which means another scam in reality as you can buy players and loan them to your other club(s) and it doesn’t count against FFFP rules. Funny how Chelsea, Man City etc are doing it
Question Doc. I think it was you who mentioned ffp rules were to change next season. If so, do you know what those changes were to be. I know I read it somewhere
I think one of them will be about multi-club ownership loans. It’s not so much about the teams within UEFA but there is no FFP in the Saudi league for example so technically the club there could outbid Man City for any player, put them on huge wages and loan to Newcastle. They get a top player for no outlay.
Think I posted elsewhere that the premier league voted against banning loans between multi-club owners. The way the prem works is that every vote has to be unanimous and as we have some multi club owners in the prem 7 voted against it and they are your multi clubbers. So no changes there, it’s a stitch up
Newcastle Man City Chelsea Palace Villa Brighton Everton (if sale to 777 goes through) So there’s the 7 clubs who voted against all multi clubbers and bet you didn’t know that Leicester are part of this club and even Barnsley
