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Discussion in 'Celtic' started by Mind The Duck, Nov 16, 2011.

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  1. superhoops

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    Crossy not a regular at Celtic Park are you. However because you live in the South of England or for some other reason, you have a very simple premise of what should be sung or heard by the people who attends Celtic Park regularly.
    Crossy you know where and where not I have been and give welly to my so important chants. You are right about the Shankill Road in Belfast, I have not given it the welly there yet. But I have on the Shankill Road in Lurgan. I don't want to bore you with all the places that I have been but I will say that a mate of mine and myself spent a very enjoyable night in a Loyalist club in East Belfast and let me just say there was a no limits session of singing and chanting with songs and chants from both sides of the community.
    Surrey lad it was a great night, would you like to go on one of those nights seeing u can't get to Celtic Park often.
     
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    You never mentioned the CIRA before.....at least not until now. So that has not been your very simple premise from the start. This is very easily verifiable.... I think we both know this is another little lie to add to your burgeoning collection.

    By citing it, you demonstrate that you haven't the faintest notion as to what people are singing about in the first instance. So how is it that you feel you can tell people to stop singing songs about things you don't know about?

    Your lack of knowledge on the subject has been highlighted. You are pontificating from an ill informed position. This severely weakens your position.

    I have addressed this irrelevant question.

    Once again you have shown yourself to be discourteous in refusing to read my posts.


    I see that some people will agree with your position. i don't mind that. I am confident that nobody will agree with your poorly constructed arguments if they take a scholarly look at the debates being put forward.

    I'll ask you again to specify the songs that you do not want to hear and the reasons for it. I am able to understand why legislators may not want to do that but I find it bizarre that some guy on the internet won't. You have already shown you don't really know what people are singing about, I suspect you don't really know what they are singing at all.
     
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    Sorry? What was that? All I heard was......bbbbbbbuuuuuuurrrrrrppppppppppppp!
     
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  4. RebelBhoy

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    Just to add a little flavour to the debate, it was in Surrey that I took exception to songs emanating from a couple of Celtic supporters. I let them know my thoughts on the subject and we all agreed that they were going to stop singing that particular little ditty.

    Maybe there is something in the water.
     
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  5. Cossy

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    RB please tell me what is so difficult for you to figure out which songs or chants are connected to the IRA?

    I'll give you some that aren't ;

    You'll never walk alone.
    Just can't get enough.
    Willie Maley song.
    Let the people sing.
    Fields of Athenry
    Any number of songs unique to a player
    For its a grand old team
    67...in the heat of Lisbon

    There's a few to get on with.

    Why do we need any IRA crap?

    On top of that you wrote:

    "I am confident that nobody will agree with your poorly constructed arguments if they take a scholarly look at the debates being put forward."

    My argument is that songs and chants connected with the IRA should not be sung at Celtic Park. It is very clear and simple.

    Poorly constructed? No.

    Needs a scholarly look? I can only assume that challenging such a simple point of view might take more brain cells than you have on offer, so you might be confused into thinking that you are taking a scholarly look. Everyone else will see it for what it is. Simple and straightforward.
     
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    Because you have cited 2 songs that detail events (real and imagined) ethat have a direct resonance with the modern Republican struggle and indeed refer to the British policy in Ireland that contributed directly to the historical mismanagement of Ireland that frames the modern struggle. I would suggest that that those songs at least strike a chord with modern Republicans and as such fall into the Rebel song category. How could I presume that you would find such a song acceptable.

    Interestingly and somewhat comically you cite "Let the people sing" which is a song that advocates singing of "lullabies and battle cries". Either song lyrics have no meaning to you, in which case, what are you arguing about? Or they do have meaning to you and you and by saying I can sing this song you are being an incredible hypocrite. Either way, you have just further diminished your already weak argument.
     
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    "that have a direct resonance with the modern Republican struggle and indeed refer to the British policy in Ireland that contributed directly to the historical mismanagement of Ireland that frames the modern struggle. I would suggest that that those songs at least strike a chord with modern Republicans and as such fall into the Rebel song category."

    and that has what to do with football?
     
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  8. RebelBhoy

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    I am sure it is abundantly clear that you have not been able to support your assertions.

    I am done being courteous with you. You don't deserve it.

    Your ostensibly reasonable approach has a very thin veneer.

    Either answer the question, or don't. Just stop pretending you have.
     
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    **** all. They are very relevant toe a significant number of Celtic supporters.
    You'll have to ask that dopey ****wit why he wants them at Celtic Park.
     
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  10. Cossy

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    They talk about the way that the Irish have been treated but neither of them attach them to terrorist organisations.

    Battle cries? What is wrong with that? People having a demonstration, like a peaceful civil rights march, can have 'battle cries.' I mean, are you so obtuse that you struggle with that concept?

    Again you make very sweeping generalisations and assumptions and try to present it as a coherent argument. Again you are wrong.
     
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    "Let the People sing"

    <laugh><laugh>
     
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    I feel like i've stumbled into an argument and am missing half the facts. who's the dopey ****wit?
     
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  13. Cossy

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    Aw bless. Webel is getting tetchy.

    I'll tell you what, I'll take a leaf out of your book. What was it you said? Ah yes....

    'Significant numbers'? What are those numbers? Prove that they exist. Show me indesputable proof what the numbers are. Otherwise I'll have to assume that you are making it up.
     
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    MHMB - webel means me. he's trying hard to argue that IRA chants/ songs have a place at CP. I disagree.
     
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    Cossy
     
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    Not tetchy at all. You are a ****wit.

    Significant numbers is easy to prove. You saw the game yesterday. You heard signifiant numbers singing. I didn't make outlandish unsupportable claims like "majority" or anything of the sort.
     
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  17. MaHatMaBunnet

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    so cossy is advocating singing rebel songs at celtic park? I'm confused!
     
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  18. RebelBhoy

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    <laugh>

    Desperation stakes. I take it you know the words to the song. Tell me again that it is about a peaceful civil rights march <doh>

    Tell me what songs you feel are unacceptable, considering the fact that you didn't know that the songs you feel are acceptable champion the idea that "it was music that kept their spirit free".<laugh>
     
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  19. Cossy

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    Diddums. Is it too late for you? School night is it?

    Prove what the numbers were. Indisputable proof.

    According to you words like 'significant' or 'majority' aren't acceptable. Come on. Live by the rules you apply to others.

    otherwise, I'll just have to assume you are making them up.
     
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    So is he.

    He doesn't want rebel songs. A perfectly acceptable point of view to hold.
    His logic to argue the point is deeply and terminally flawed.

    I do want the rebel songs at Celtic park. I doesn't want to make them compulsory. On other threads I have stated why I feel CP is an appropriate place to have them. I can reach an uneasy accord with most Celtic supporters on the topic, but an accord nonetheless.

    Cossy is arguing from a position of ignorance and has lied more than once to further his agenda. Nobody else has needed to do that in this debate.
     
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