I've watched the video and tbh much like a lot of what the IDF is claiming as smoking guns (excuse the pun) it's more damp squibs. What you have is hamas bringing injured hostage (shot in the stomach by looks of it) to the hospital for treatment on 7th October. Hardly means it's a command centre or that they're controlling it so the doctors aren't being disingenuous.
Yeah, but, the doctors aren't thick as ****. They're incredibly intelligent people and I think if asked and were speaking genuine would have said "We have seen the odd soldier come in delivering wounded." Instead, the Doctors are saying "No, we have never ever seen anything of the sort." Which is now proven to be a bare faced lie. I think everyone knew it was a lie, and it doesn't justify anything whatsoever, but I just thought its worth mentioning, even those people are telling fibs. It's an information war to the extreme.
So why doesn't their Charter (clause IV) include Jews who lived in Palestine pre-1947 as 'Palestinian'? Why do clauses VII and IX only include Christianity under the umbrella of religious tolerance? Why does the latter clause accuse the occupiers of "Judaisation", namely the recognition of Jerusalem and other holy sites within the Jewish tradition? Why does Clause XI explicitly deny the Temple Mount as a holy site for Jews as well as Muslims? Why does Clause XVII openly whitewash centuries of anti Semitic persecution of Jews in Muslim lands? I'll tell you why: because the legitimisation of Jews and Judaism with regard to Palestine to any degree, fundamentally undermines the historic and religious basis of the bulk of the Hamas Charter. You cannot legitimise Judaism and its specific claims about that strip of land being the Promised Land of its ancestors and founders without pulling the rug out from under the religious and historic claims made in the bulk of the Charter. The political claims would remain in situ and valid, but all other claims are directly challenged by Judaism and therefore undermined if that belief system is event slightly legitimised.
It was October 7th mate when they brought the hostage there as shown by the date stamp. In the six weeks since would the doctors may not have.
Perhaps, but some have been there for years like. I don't think the British one on the BBC all the time is just going to be bullshitting, but some would. Either way, there's been good news today. The babies were evacuated, they're in the process of removing the severally injured. I think everyone can get behind that's very good news and hopefully a sign things might start to relax in Northern Gaza. Unfortunatly, next is the operation in Southern Gaza.
My more forceful response would be: Even if you are right (which I don't personally believe you are), what do you think Hamas would do with the 9 million Jews currently living in what it sees as Palestine? Would they be allowed to continue living there in safety under a Hamas governed Palestinian state, in peace and harmony? Pull the other one.
None of that contradicts anything I've posted that you've quoted. And like I've said there are plenty of Israaeli government ministers that hold the same view against the Palestinians. I'm honest enough to admit there's religious intolerance on both sides to the point they don't want to give leeway to anyone on the other side. Why can't you?
I agree with you here, which is why I've not posted about this before. I've never said there's no Hamas network under the hospital. I just disagree with the idea of shooting through civilians to get to criminals
8 of the 39 babies died unfortunately. But you're right mate, there is some relief there. Hopefully the others are healthy and survive.
I don't believe in any one state solution - Israel or Palestine. I do believe in a ceasefire and a negotiated peaceful resolution that includes all players. One which would begin with the release of all hostages, an end to hostilities by both sides, and leading to a full commitment by all to peace and a full recognition of Israel and an independent Palestinian state.
I've said it a bunch of times, there will never be a two state solution whilst Gaza is in the mix. Israel likely doesn't want it there, Fatah can't control it and Hamas have turned it into a fortress. Perhaps, Israel will allow the West Bank to become independent, but it is highly unlikely. The only one state solution could be like the one we see in Iraq with the Kurdish state.
Who was it on here who told me, that a doctor had supposedly said he'd worked there 16 years (at Shifa) and never seen anything
I've not bothered to post this before but may as well now. I don't believe half of what Hamas says. It's no surprise if there is a command centre somewhere in the tunnels underneath, but some things are reliable like the death toll which nigh on every independent organisation from the United Nations to the WHO and International Red Cross have said have always been accurate in all previous conflicts. Some UN Relief agencies have said they may actually be underestimated because some of the figures for U.N. Reflef workers has been reported lesss than the numbers who have been killed. I see the same as far as Israel is concerned. I don't doubt things like the number of hostages and those killed on October 7h, or the rockets being fired into Israel, but there's been a lot of lies and deliberate disinformation from Israel and the IDF. Israeli government officials have literally claimed there is no humanitarian crisis in Gaza. The Israeli president has claimed babies in incubators were not at risk. He claimed there was no problems with fuel, food or water at Shifa hospital ffs. He's even stated on at least two occasions that there are no innocent civilians in Gaza, they're all complicit. There are butchers on both sides. This notion that bombing Gaza to bits is the only way of getting the hostages out (which we're being peddled daily) is utter bollox. When you consider they've managed to recover 2 alive in 6 weeks. The same number as were voluntarily released by Hamas in the first week. More than 60 hostages (a quarter of them) have been killed in the bombing. Over 11,000 civilians killed, two thirds of who are women and children. And yet the only practical way of releasing those hostages and preventing further innocent loss of life is through a ceasefire and negotiations which Qatar today have publicly stated is possible and negotiations between Hamas and Israel is going on via them as intermediaries. Oh look they do negotiate! The alternative is utter madness.
I'm sure the Doctors and nurses in the hospital were complicit and often popped down there for tea and biscuits in their lunch hours ... But it's discovery definitely justifies the deaths of 13,000 Palestinians, especially all those weapons grade kids ...
