1. Log in now to remove adverts - no adverts at all to registered members!

The #LUFC Breakfast Debate (Friday 17th November)

Discussion in 'Leeds United' started by ellandback, Nov 17, 2023.

  1. ellandback

    ellandback Well-Known Member Forum Moderator

    Joined:
    Mar 30, 2011
    Messages:
    62,294
    Likes Received:
    36,781
    perfect1.jpg

    Good Morning. It's Friday 17th November, and here are the latest headlines from Elland Road


    Lazio planning to steal Gnonto away in loan to buy deal

    Speculation is growing that Serie A outfit Lazio are planning a January raid for Leeds winger Wilfred Gnonto, on a try before you buy basis.

    His inconsistent form of late, has seen him drop to the bench, in favour of Crysencio Summerville, who is enjoying his new role as an inverted winger / third striker (the same role Sinisterra enjoyed during his tenure).

    Lazio are believed to be happy to pay a high loan fee, but want to fix the transfer price at £13.1m. It has been widely speculated that Leeds turned down offers from Everton for as much as £25m, so why on Earth would Leeds consider half that, even though it may include a high loan fee. We must also not forget that Leeds will have to pay FC Zurich an exorbitantly high sell on fee for Gnonto.




    Buy low - sell high

    Many Leeds fans are still reeling, that Middlesbrough have a try before you buy clause involving Sam Greenwood, fixed at the paltry amount of just £1.5m.

    The England U21 star was not even given the opportunity to impress Daniel Farke, having spent most of the Summer with his leg in a cast. We've seen the likes of Summerville, James, Gray and Struijk flourish under the German, and whose to say Greenwood wouldn't have made that list?

    By all means, let Greenwood go out on loan, but why hand over the power, by allowing Boro the option to snap him up for virtually nothing if he's good, or return him if he's bad? Greenwood's most recent effort, a goal of the season 30 yard free kick contender, against Leicester City was as good as any free kick you'll see in the Premier League.

    Leeds can't afford to make the same mistake with Gnonto. We're talking about young exciting players on long contracts. Gnonto has only just turned twenty a fortnight ago, and is a full Italian International, and is contracted until the Summer of 2027. The most basic business philosophy of buy low, sell high is not being followed, and after the loan fiasco during the Summer, the club need to get their act together!


    please log in to view this image


    Gnonto on fire for Italy U21's

    Wilfred Gnonto was on fire, as the Italian U21's dispatched their San Marino counterparts 7-0 at the Stadio Olimpico di San Marino last night.

    The 20yo earned himself rave reviews in the media, including a 9.0 rating from Sofascore, as he terrorised the visitors defence at will, grabbing himself a brace in the process. His 73 minutes of game time was much needed; since coming back from his broken ankle, his contributions have been few and far between. Hopefully this will kick start his season!

    please log in to view this image
     
    #1
  2. oldschool

    oldschool Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Dec 31, 2020
    Messages:
    6,572
    Likes Received:
    13,983
    Meh.... let's free willy, because apparently Ryan Kent isn't loving his Turkish delight experience and he'd be a shoe in replacement (allegedly) :emoticon-0114-dull:......
     
    #2
  3. Leedsoflondon

    Leedsoflondon Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Sep 30, 2014
    Messages:
    18,047
    Likes Received:
    21,111
    Maybe the high loan fee is to get around the exorbitantly high sell on clause, i.e. if we don’t have to pay his previous club any of the loan fee. We get say £15 million for the loan and “sell” him at the end of it for £10 million meaning they only get percentage of the ten million?
    Off topic, can’t say I’m excitedly looking forward to England v Malta tonight
     
    #3
    NostradEmus and wakeybreakyheart like this.
  4. LeedsRover1

    LeedsRover1 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 31, 2020
    Messages:
    480
    Likes Received:
    1,053
    That’s what I was thinking, if the story proved to be true.
     
    #4
  5. 2 pennth

    2 pennth Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    May 22, 2016
    Messages:
    11,040
    Likes Received:
    13,134
    Everton deducted 10 points
    Must have friends in high places
    This just stinks
    But then again that’s todays football
     
    #5
  6. Eireleeds1

    Eireleeds1 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    May 14, 2011
    Messages:
    31,494
    Likes Received:
    32,232
    Morning all. Just seen the Everton thing. As expected an utter waste of time. City punishment if any will be a similar nonsense.
     
    #6
    2 pennth likes this.

  7. wakeybreakyheart

    wakeybreakyheart Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 4, 2011
    Messages:
    19,679
    Likes Received:
    20,085
  8. Aski

    Aski Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Sep 11, 2012
    Messages:
    4,940
    Likes Received:
    9,029

    Well lets hope that we specifically have a clause that says loan fees aren't included in that sell on clause, given that CAS have already judged against clubs ( AC Sparta Praha vs Genoa and and FC Flora vs Heracles Almelo), where the transfer deal did not preclude loan fees being excluded as part of the "sell on " clause.

    Whilst I appreciate that LoL has given us a hypothetical situation to the clickbait rumour, given who we had doing our transfer dealings at the time we signed Gnonto, I wouldn't be too hopeful. We would probably find out there there is a clause that says we have to pay double the "sell on" % in respect of loan fees, given how our recent transfer negotiations have gone ;)
     
    #8
    Last edited: Nov 17, 2023
    Leedsoflondon likes this.
  9. Doc

    Doc Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 1, 2011
    Messages:
    20,009
    Likes Received:
    27,639
    Everton docked 10 points as soon it looked likely they would win enough points to stay up. Remember Everton hold the record for the longest time in the top tier of British football. A sham and should have been deducted those points last season or the season before simply because it’s been going on for years and the premier league were aware
     
    #9
  10. Aski

    Aski Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Sep 11, 2012
    Messages:
    4,940
    Likes Received:
    9,029
    I thought that was Arsenal Doc, given Everton were promoted to the top division in the 1950's whilst Arsenal were elected to the top division in the 1910's and neither of those clubs have been relegated since.

    EDIT - Just checked Everton last relegated in 1951 from top division, Arsenal last relegated from top division in 1913 (only time they have ever been relegated)

    However all of the above nit picking by myself shouldn't take away from the fact that I fully agree with the point that you are making Doc
     
    #10
  11. leeds down south

    leeds down south Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 7, 2011
    Messages:
    2,968
    Likes Received:
    2,736
  12. NostradEmus

    NostradEmus Firpo Carlos

    Joined:
    Aug 4, 2019
    Messages:
    12,361
    Likes Received:
    22,446
    10 pts is a joke. They've been breaking rules for years.

    Should be 10 pts per season.
     
    #12
  13. milkyboy

    milkyboy Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jul 4, 2011
    Messages:
    12,334
    Likes Received:
    18,149
    Piroe comes across really well. Nice guy. Will try and remember that next time I want to slag him off <laugh>
     
    #13
  14. ristac

    ristac Well-Known Member Forum Moderator

    Joined:
    Jun 23, 2011
    Messages:
    27,784
    Likes Received:
    31,971
    Everton should be relegated at the end of the season and start next season -10
     
    #14
  15. wakeybreakyheart

    wakeybreakyheart Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 4, 2011
    Messages:
    19,679
    Likes Received:
    20,085
    Who is that annoying bhitch on channel 4.
     
    #15
  16. Leedsoflondon

    Leedsoflondon Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Sep 30, 2014
    Messages:
    18,047
    Likes Received:
    21,111
    Agreed and I’ll tell you why it’s not good enough for me. You can take the points knowing that the three teams promoted are so poor but if they knew Everton were going to be deducted points they might have spent a little bit more to try to stay up.
     
    #16
    ristac likes this.
  17. ristac

    ristac Well-Known Member Forum Moderator

    Joined:
    Jun 23, 2011
    Messages:
    27,784
    Likes Received:
    31,971
    In its ruling, the Commission said it had declined to follow the league's proposal of starting at a six-point deduction and adding one point for every £5m over the loss limit. This would have taken Everton to -60 points
     
    #17
  18. Aski

    Aski Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Sep 11, 2012
    Messages:
    4,940
    Likes Received:
    9,029
    That sounds fair, and if they fail to achieve positive points, then the remaining negative points should carry on in the following season, no matter which league they are in :emoticon-0102-bigsm
     
    #18
    NostradEmus, southernwhite and ristac like this.
  19. southernwhite

    southernwhite Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    May 11, 2014
    Messages:
    4,089
    Likes Received:
    6,070
    Basically then, Everton got away with it <grr>
    Good morning all
    from a rather wet Southampton.
     
    #19
  20. Leedsoflondon

    Leedsoflondon Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Sep 30, 2014
    Messages:
    18,047
    Likes Received:
    21,111
    Actually, it seems like that’s exactly what they’ve done. The reported overspend was £20 million so 6 points + 1 point for every £5 million over the loss limit.
     
    #20
    leeds down south likes this.

Share This Page