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  1. FosseFilberto

    FosseFilberto Pizzeria Superiore and some ...
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    That's irrelevant to what I posted - we, the UK, are in a significant minority of countries in the world, particularly the leaders of those countries, in not advocating a ceasefire on humanitarian grounds ... why is that? ...
     
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    I read a bit about Ukrainian bans on journos on some front line areas, but overall I seem to remember that conflict has been fairly widely covered by numerous news agencies with journos on the ground.

    There's complete blanket control of news reporting in Gaza
     
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    That's about it ... plus, where would wounded Hamas fighters go for treatment? - do you think they might also have taken their weapons with them? ... also, aren't field hospitals also sacrosanct under International Law?...
     
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  4. Welshie

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    Right now thats likely more to do with the literal blackout than policy.

    There's no electricity for equipment
     
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  5. Solid Air 2

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    actually the obvious inference was that Sunak was against it for financial reasons though ignored the fact the majority of Lab voted against it .

    PS how long do you think the ceasefire should be ?
     
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    Well that's rather inconvenient isn't it <whistle>
     
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    Most news agencies would take battery packs into conflict zones ?

    Israel have been denying access to international journalists under the auspice of 'safety' concerns, and of course they control the border in and out of Gaza

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2009/jan/10/gaza-israel-reporters-foreign-journalists
     
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    Yes that was exactly the inference... and yes the vote went the way that Rishi Sunak wanted ... but why wasn't it a free vote without the Whips getting involved? ... who instructs the Whips again? So again, why are we flying solo with the US on this?

    As to the ceasefire - it should last as long as it takes for every patient / baby in hospital and every woman and child that wants to leave Gaza to get across the border ... if some are too ill to be moved the UN should send in personnel to ensure the remaining facilities are operational with power, food and water ... that would be the 'humanitarian' answer...

    "Oh but Hamas could regroup" - regroup what? - they can't get any more weapons and they can't grow 'trained fighters' - there is nothing to 'regroup' - the reality is that a technologically equipped modern army with incredible military capability and supported by US Naval resource, is engaged in a conflict with a lightly armed militia ... there is no chance of a shock result - it's not cup football.
     
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    Israeli politicians call for journalists in Gaza to be killed

    Reporters Without Borders (RSF) condemns calls by Israeli politicians in the past 24 hours for journalists in Gaza to be killed. Prompted by unsubstantiated conjecture about the journalists’ integrity, the calls coincide with a disturbing amendment to Israel’s terrorism law. Targeting journalists is a war crime, RSF stresses.

    https://rsf.org/en/israeli-politicians-call-journalists-gaza-be-killed
     
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    They take batteries but most of the journalism has been done by people who reside in Gaza and therefore have unusual access to every single part of it.

    Bog standard news agencies like BBC, Sky, and C4 have not been sending in actual journalists into Gaza from day one, they are all purchasing footage from people already there

    Those people stopped regular updates a few days after the blackouts, equipment must be charged.

    If BBC request that a journalist goes in, they have to be escorted.

    The arguments aren't insane like
     
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    and that is exactly why Israel has ignored any calls for a ceasefire because you want an open ended one which would give Gamas chance to regroup .
    This will continue until theYanks demand Israel stop no one else can influence atm .
     
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    Pinkie you ignored the reply tbh with that addition.

    For a BBC team to go in they would need to actually organise some form of escort.

    Gaza was not even under Israeli control at the beginning of the conflict and Hamas would have had to agree it.
     
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    <doh> ... how the fook can Hamas 'regroup'? - where are additional weapons coming from? - additional fighters, logistics, supplies?

    Gaza is locked down tighter than a scousers hubcaps ...
     
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    Xenophobia doesn't help anyone here, OK Fosse. Pack it in

    :bandit:
     
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    <laugh>

    My understanding is the bunker and any subsequent tunnels were built under the hospital in the 1980's, by the ISRAELI'S.

    I think the bunker was built as a bomb shelter for the hospital, which would explain how the Israeli's know that the bunker or any tunnels exist. The only question that remained from this was whether Hamas had made any extensions since.
     
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    There was a conservatory built but it never received council approval
     
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    Al-Shifa hospital is ****ing massive <yikes>
     
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  19. Solid Air 2

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    well they were getting weapons before when Gaza was already blockaded but mainly it allows the fighters to leave their positions and place new ieds and / or disperse among the civilians .
     
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    Russian media were blocked by our government, I know because I use to follow some Russian media, they all got shut down. In regards to the Ukraine, media can only go where the troops allow them to go, the same applies in Gaza. Considering SKY reporters were nearly killed last year in an ambush, it shows the risk they take to do so. However, I do know that with a migration train of people in Gaza recently , the media were refused permission by the IDF to interview some of the people, the reason given is there could be Hamas hiding among them. Imho I think that was wrong to deny them, as long as you point out the risks, the journalists should be able to decide what happens next, bearing in mind any risk to the troops that would have to come to their aid - I felt the media reported it in a tone that left it open to question.
     
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