your interpretation / opinion of what should happen!!! .. but reality is, and I think you just saw it with NP, the manager gets a job he needs to do what the job is explained to him and his part of it and in it ... its called delegation.[ board to manager ] Her job is to oversee the police [ along with many other security briefs ] ......... made my point in another post.
been watching the procession and the one thing that stands out is most are just walking along following the flow ... so far not seen [ 20 mins of watching ] any placard or mention of ceasefire! except a couple women with mega phones shouting out and encouraging a group of about 50 or so to chant free palestine .. what has that to do with a ceasefire ... surely a ceasefire would allow Hamas and the other Jihads to regroup and assume command again and back to square one! [ thats what the march is for??? ] So how do you free Palestine?
Like the BLM bandwagon that people fell over themselves to support until they found out it was all a sham
The point is not whether you, or I, believe in the cause, it’s so that anyone is able to air their opinion, have the right to have a peaceful March/demonstration for something they believe strongly in. As long as they’re peaceful why would we want to stop them?, in this case even the British Legion were in favour of peaceful marches going ahead, it was just SB grandstanding and starting her own challenge to be the next Tory leader.
I just think people do it to be a nuisance Where are the banners condemning Hamas, who are to blame for the whole situation ? Israel are not the provoking party here Yet the BBC gleefully report that 92 counter protestors have been arrested I’m surprised they’re not out there marching with the pro Palestinians But maybe they are, along with the likes of Vorderman and Lineker
How did the Home Secretary's words in the Times interfere with operational policing? I vote Labour. I would expect any Home Secretary to want to ensure the laws of this land are being applied evenly. The police should not be taking political sides regarding protest and policing.
They aren’t in this instance, they allowed a March to take place as well as the armistice remembrance. They made a tactical decision they could do both and there wasn’t grounds to ban the March/demonstration. That was their decision to make.
Yes the Home Secretary's words in the Times didn't interfere with operational policing. What did the Home Secretary say in the Times and what is your point?
She called them hate marches and insinuated they shouldn’t be allowed to go ahead. It seems seems I’m not the only one who thinks her comments were inappropriate. Conservative former attorney general Dominic Grieve said that the Home Secretary's comments about the march were inappropriate. He told LBC's Ben Kentish: "She is under a duty as home secretary in the minister of the crown, to uphold people's lawful rights, which includes people's lawful rights to demonstrate peacefully and within the law. "And the fact that she may personally dislike the nature of the demonstration, or indeed many others in government might also dislike the nature of the demonstration isn't the issue. "The issue is can this demonstration take place pieces peaceably? And has it been properly organised? Those are questions for the Metropolitan Police Commissioner, not for her." Mr Grieve added: "Of course, the police do have a duty to make sure that those marches are within the law and are not used as a vehicle for hate speech or anti-Semitism.
EXCUSE ME the police didnt "allow the armistence rememberance to go ahead" it has been going on for 10's of decades, and their presence in the past has always been one of traffic control around the cenataph, likely no more than 100 "on duty officers managing it" I dont care what you or anyone says about what may or may not have happen [ today, ] prior to today Even if nothing was said by SB or anyone else, and there were a lot of higher placed individuals muttering the same as SB had the balls to say before she said it. It was never expected that a few hundred marchers would attack the cenotaph, but there was always the liklihood till SB comments there could be issues by pro and anti palestinian factions taking matters further ... and without a police presence . no telling what would happen! Watched almost an hour of people walking past [ near hyde park corner ] and didnt see one poster referencing what the march was about .... a CEASEFIRE ... That magic word INSINUATED wow talk about cake and eating it ... makes statements in one direction condemning the actions ... then ends with retracts it all .. clever Mr Grieve
Stop putting words in my mouth, I meant the marches were allowed to go ahead, alongside the armistice remembrance, I wasn’t for a moment suggesting there was any question the armistice remembrance was being “allowed to go ahead” as you rightly point out its being happening for years, and hopefully will go on for many years to come. Even the British Legion felt the March should go ahead, saying it’s one of the freedoms they fought for. SB wasn’t being brave, or having the ” Balls” to say it. She was setting out her stall to take on Richi to be the next Tory leader. Mark my words!!. I quoted Mr Grieve, who like me read the same into her comments, many Tories also distanced themselves from her comments for the same reason. Her comments were inflammatory at a time a sensible Home Secretary would have been trying to calm the situation down. I maintain if a Labour Hone Secretary did something similar you’d be up in arms.
It’s ironic really, the meaning of Armistice is; An armistice is a formal agreement of warring parties to stop fighting. It is not necessarily the end of a war, as it may constitute only a cessation of hostilities while an attempt is made to negotiate a lasting peace. It is derived from the Latin arma, meaning "arms" and -stitium, meaning "a stopping"
Go back through the posts for the answer to that one! as you rightly say we are all entitled to an opinion .. some fall in the minority! People like grieve get paid for what they say... he did a really good spin around on his opinion!
No he didn’t, he stated the obvious ; Of course, the police do have a duty to make sure that those marches are within the law and are not used as a vehicle for hate speech or anti-Semitism, But they are the ones that make the decision if the March can go ahead, NOT The Home Secretary’s. That’s not contradictory at all.
The Home Secretary called the march in London a hate march in a tweet. Did she do similar in the Times? You have read the article haven't you? I am only quoting and answering two of your lines here, because the majority of your post had nothing to do with the question posed. A question you have ignored several times. I read the Times article and I cannot see where the Home Secretary insinuated marches should not go ahead. The article literally did not state they shouldn’t be allowed to go ahead, or anything similar. A parallel was made to demonstrations that had gone ahead and how these where policed. There is a clear difference along identarian/political lines in how the police approach protests. Have pro Palestine anti-Israel protests been displaying a hatred of Israel and Jews? The answer is marches have witnessed clear glorifying of racial hatred. Is that a hate or peace march? According to the Telegraph Former Hamas chief ‘behind pro-Palestine Armistice Day protests’ (telegraph.co.uk) half those who organised the March yesterday have links to Hamas, those who display their hatred by murdering jews. Muhammad Kathem Sawalha WAS a Hamas leader. A terrorist. So if you went to a march once attended by significant numbers of the NF/BNP who were publicly calling for/celebrating ethno nationalist acts of violence how would you view the march, is that a hate or peace march? How about if these marches that are used to promote hate were weekly? Two hundred Israeli hostages are in Gaza held by murdering racist terrorists. Yesterdays march did not call for their release and neither did previous weeks.If these are peace marches where are the calls for these hostages to be released? Whats really going on there?
Clifton dont try and make it to complicated...lol ... drawing comparisons to what was actually said and what they insinuate is always dodgy ground! unless you spend time reading and digesting the situation around it they can stand out quite stark, this can mean by some they do not pursue the whole thing ... and this point is not aimed at anyone in particular just a generalization! The big question is why did no one actually have signs saying ceasefire or stop the war? there plenty hailer wielding women! inciting people to continuously shout "free Palestine" .. WHEN THE MARCH WAS FOR A CEASEFIRE!! "Free Palestine" has a dark direction toward "getting rid" of the those holding it in captivity ? ..... Hamas and the 5/6 jihadist groups firing rockets at Israel, whose defence system like all modern day war fare systems within minutes take out the missiles and attack the point of origin! ............. points of origin being behind families of Palestinians IF I was a Palestinian and Hamas fired rockets from my roof or property I would get as far away as possible in those 2 or 3 minutes! ...
The Met Police has condemned "extreme violence from right-wing protesters" who it says set out to confront Saturday's pro-Palestinian march. Nine officers were injured and 126 people arrested - the "vast majority" of whom were counter-protesters. Police added while the march itself did not see such physical violence, serious offences relating to antisemitic hate crimes were being investigated. The PM said those involved in crimes must face the full force of the law. INTERESTING article on the beeb police say pro palestinian march = people support the people of Palestine in this dark time? But beeb calls it a march for a ceasefire ... no clarity! of course Palestine would like to see a ceasefire ...we all would, and the death and destruction stop. but a coin has 2 sides! ceasefire ....Hamas regroups, military wing may have taken umbrage to political leadership condemning [ to a degree ] military actions in starting it all so "eliminations" Hamas military go back to square 1 before OCTOBER7th and nothing has changed for anyone as now 4 hour corridors for humanitarian needs ... but Hamas will take advantage as they have been .. so that aspect will still be there? Israel now have a strong foot in the door and are slowly eliminating tunnels command centres and Hamas/ jihadist groups in the north, whilst still fending off attacks from the south this may well go on past Christmas......
If all the pro Palestine protesters who marched in London and elsewhere, love Gaza and the West Bank, hate Jews, and who hate the UK and the relaxed western way of life that they are afforded so much, might I suggest they take their support and hate overseas
She called them hate marches and questioned the police’s integrity, claiming they are biased, her actions made the job of the police harder than it needed to be on Saturday. Thankfully she’s now been removed from office, and about time, it’s hardly a first for her.
You are completely missing the point, peaceful protest is a very important part of a healthy democracy, we aren’t all going to agree on everything and that’s healthy. Obviously there are rules that need to be adhered to and anyone overstepping those rules should be dealt with, but to ban peaceful marches because you dont agree with the cause is very dangerous.
