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Dr Strangelove (how I learned to stop worrying and love Boris)

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  1. rooch 3

    rooch 3 Well-Known Member

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    Aye that’s correct, but we didn’t know how bad the Tories were going to be either.
     
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  2. Smug in Boots

    Smug in Boots Well-Known Member

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    Of course we don't know, how could we.

    We have to trust people who claim to know best, we have no other choice ...

    ... we all voted about Brexit, none of us had a clue what would happen.

    It's been a disaster but could've been the best thing we'd ever seen.
     
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  3. rooch 3

    rooch 3 Well-Known Member

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    Well that’s exactly it, people believed the Tories were a far better bet than Labour and that’s why they weren’t just beat they were slaughtered in the elections, that’s where the worry should be, just how bad we’re Labour.
     
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  4. Smug in Boots

    Smug in Boots Well-Known Member

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    Johnson was, and is, a conman ...

    ... it wasn't a contest between good and bad.
     
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  5. FellTop

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    I look back and wonder how we voted him in. I try always to vote with local interests at heart and avoid the competition of leadership popularity. That is obviously hard to do these days because we have forgotten politics starts at grassroots and filters up. And to be perfectly honest parliamentary politicians have forgotten that too, just look at the way the the central Labour party are dictating to the grassroots in terms of who can be part of it. That in itself is a political disgrace in my opinion, and pushes me further away from the party my ideals most closely align to.

    How did he get in. Bombastic nonsense, brilliant campaign PR? A country fed up of Brexit stagnation. A media who arent bright enough to report facts and commentary. Bit of all of those. But it also has to be said, in my opinion, Labour were unable to put up any sort of alternative. It was arguably the most hopeless campaign in my lifetime. Only folk who vote labour whatever and without thought could have seriously countenanced voting for them in my opinion. I would have put my mortgage on them ruining what was left of this country of ours, and there wasnt much left. It was a desperate choice. I cant remember the turnout rates but I suspect they were small. It was a vote for dumber or dumber in opinion. Sad times.

    Have we moved on from that woeful choice? Marginally only in my opinion. Until we overhaul politics we will continue to get part time politicians rising to the top in quick time, but without a sense of this countries long term needs.
     
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  6. Smug in Boots

    Smug in Boots Well-Known Member

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    Stupidity is the answer, sorry but it's true.

     
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  7. The Exile II

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    Brexit. Top and bottom of it. Remainers created the circumstances for his accession, which I will never get tired of reminding the morally superior of. A direct chain of events.

    And the way is open for exactly the same kind of chancer to get in again because of the way politics and the media is going.
     
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  8. FellTop

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    Not really in my opinion. Lots of people wanted an alternative. They had one and it looked much worse. Whether it would have been worse is impossible to say, but sadly Labour looked far worse at the time based on what they said and did. I chose not to vote for them, because that view of govt was not for me. I would love to hear what Labour voters were voting for if they wanted their strategy not tory.
     
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  9. The Exile II

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    AI is racist, apparently.

    Because it's being fed 'predominately white' datasets. Of which there is no such thing. There's only data.
     
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  10. Monkey69

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    The whole problem with politics and the politicians is that the parties are constantly looking for candidates with no horrors lurking in their closet but the truth of the matter is that everybody I know has something they have done which is less than desirable but my hope is that good people learn from their mistakes and become stronger because of it. for me I would much rather have a prime minister who is real and has lived a bit of a life in the real world and not somebody who is Oxford educated and has had all his misdemeanors covered up by some wealthy family to protect his future . Give me somebody real any day of the week somebody who speaks plainly but truthfully, somebody who will not slag off the opposition but will stand toe to toe in an honest political debate, someone who will concede and adopt an opposition agenda if it is the right thing for the country regardless of political agenda.
    I guess we will never get that as that politician would be shot down in flames for being weak or for having illegitimate children or for having been a troubled youth with a police record or any other reason that opposing parties or media or corporations or whoever else feels a need to control governmental decisions can find.
    It breaks my heart that the political parties believe that to be effective as a Prime Minister you need to have been well educated and clean as a whistle or be able to portray that image. The PM is meant to represent us as a people and a nation and I don't care if they have a Brummie accent or a scouse accent or any accent I want them to be real and be able to make real decisions about real issues that affect real people.

    Rant Owa !!
     
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  11. gelders pie

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    My ''first'' PMs were Wilson and Heath. Ok, I was young, but all I knew ( and still do know ) about them was that one smoked a pipe and the other could play the piano !
     
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  12. Smug in Boots

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    There's a lot of sense in that and I agree with much of it.

    My problems is that I felt the same about Johnson as I did with the likes of Trump, Jimmy Savile and Jeremy Clarkson. I looked at them and didn't get how anyone could be taken in by them or admire them.

    Boris Johnson just appeared to be a joke that wasn't funny and I couldn't believe people were laughing with him, not at him.

    People said his behaviour was all a clever act, it wasn't.
     
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  13. The Exile II

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    Braverman's played her cards. What happens now depends on what happens over the weekend.

    If I was EDL or similar I'd have been very tempted to organise a 'Pro-Israel' March. Starting at a different time and well away, of course. No chance of trouble at all.
     
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    Lumping Savile in is desperate stuff mind. We've already had Mussolini <laugh>
     
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    Yes he genuinely is a bumbling ex public schoolboy upper class twit. His "skill" set consists of using obscure words from a dead language (Latin) and citing stories from Greek mythology that did not occur as "fact". I mean what could possibly go wrong there? <laugh>
     
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  16. The Exile II

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    I can't help thinking how much Boris is like Idi Amin, Grandpa Joe, Mussolini, Feathers McGraw, Pol Pot, Skeletor and those Nazis off The Blues Brothers.
     
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    I agree with the first paragraph, but we replaced a chancer with another chancer who l definitely would not trust.
     
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  18. FellTop

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    Well I am not too sure you have that right mate. Data is ultimately created by people, as is AI. The problem exists largely because of unconscious bias in data or algorithms built. It isnt that overtly racist representations exist in data. But it is the case that categorisations exist and AI can only ever do what people coach it to do, really. So a lack of understanding of difference, or a greater appreciation of the similar, leads to a a level of bias one way or another that is not intended. It is one of the moral challenges being debated at length currently.
     
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  19. Daz

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    And so it begins…

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  20. Smug in Boots

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    Yes, that's definitely the way to show respect <doh>
     
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