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Is the world at a dangerous crossroad?

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  1. Angelicnumber16

    Angelicnumber16 Well-Known Member

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    Projections show that if migration and illegal immigration continues on its current trajectory, the population of the UK will bd over 80 million by 2040
    That means another 15 cities the size of Birmingham need to be built along with 8000 new roads.
    When are people going to wake up to what’s happening ?
     
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    And so do you.

    You ask about the end game yet you only mention Palestinian deaths. You fail to mention what started all this latest devastation on October 7th.
    Far far to simple, this goes back 75 years.
    Not surprisingly, yours is a one sided leftist view.
     
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  3. Redprintt

    Redprintt Well-Known Member

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    Not the bloody politicians, red or blue.
     
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    I think you have to ask that question of Hamas!

    I also think that manner in which they conducted the October attack will give you a clue as to their intentions!!
     
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    End game. Disabling Hamas to a level they cannot operate. The Israeli government have never wanted to kill every Palestinian, Gazas population increases significantly decade upon decade. Palestinians and other groups live in Israel, and very obviously Jerusalem.

    You need to distinguish between Palestinians. Gaza isn't all of Palestine. Gaza is governed by Hamas. The West Bank is governed by Fatah. When Hamas won the election in 2007 to govern Gaza they then proceeded to slaughter hundreds of their Fatah political opponents ending political opposition. There is a similarity to the Nazis present. Hamas are ultra extreme and murderously racist, and do not want a two state solution unlike Fatah.
     
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  6. realred1952

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    this is not the plan various media outlets and reporters attached to "live events in war zone" have highlighted the problems of HAMAS AND THE USE OF HUMAN SHIELDS ...... one place they showed was a Hamas weapons factory destroyed by Israel it was on the ground floor ?/ basement of a house/ above the remains of bomb and drone arming / construction was a child bedroom partially destroyed but not livable ... they have so far.. according to reports made 11000 such strikes on similar places and tunnel access points .... Palistinians are between a rock and a bomb! there will be a lot of soul searching on both sides when this ceases in its present form
     
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    It’s complicated, I get that, but at some point it has to stop and there has to be a peaceful solution, Mike states in his post that Hamas don’t want a two state solution, I know that, that’s why I question whether the approach being taken is the correct one, because it’s making a two state solution harder to achieve, creating divisions and playing into their hands. I believe that’s why they did the appalling attack, to achieve what’s happening now.
     
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  8. Angelicnumber16

    Angelicnumber16 Well-Known Member

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    I’d like to see all those involved in the pro Palestinian marches and those supporting the despicable defacing of the memorial in Rochdale to denounce the evil that is Hamas

    If they don’t, do we assume they condone what happened on October 7th and side with terrorism ?
     
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  9. realred1952

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    What you have to do separate the warring factions ... you are in the obvious state of mind of their being 2 [ actually 3 ] parties involved.

    Israel .................. a nation that has prospered by doing things by hard working effort
    Palestine ............ a nation that has failed itself by lack of meaningful effort [ in the main ] and ruled by the "Hamas party" which is/ was moderate to extremism Palestinians. Now at the mercy of Hamas "military terrorists"
    Hamas ............... extremists [ mostly of Palestine descent ] and a mixture of more than 5 or 6 Jihadist groups. Dont really have a realistic humanitarian plan to become a cog in the world order [ like build an economy and a beneficial place to live ]

    Take away all the evil groups.. and just leave Palestine and Israel and you have a base to build from .... then they need to form a foundation [ Israel already have! ] ...
    Palestine needs to do a couple of things for their own survival [ natural survival ].

    when you look at Bangladesh as an instance.. a few years ago a catastrophe struck [ 1974? ] and some 1.5m people estimated to have been killed it took just a month or so? to replace those that had died. since then population population has risen to 175,000,000 .. on a massive flood plain that is their country! EVERY BAD YEAR of floods displaces millions and vast tracks of the country dissapear.. but amazingly they still believe having 10 children+ One interview a few years back asked a family why the mother had had 15 ?or so? kids .. basic answer ....... to look after the extended family when they get older [ at the time if Memory serves they had 6 or 7 living ! floods/ starvation/ ill health! ? ] moral is what happens when the population becomes in excess of the land that supports it ..........[ bit like UK! EXPERTS RECKON MAXIMUM SUSTAINABLE POPULATION is 55 million on our islands!]
     
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    channel 4 dispatch's
    Russia's lost boys
    well worth a watch and opens up some interesting avenue's
     
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    D E L U S I O N A L there can be no doubt that the evil Putrid is truly delusional .. his "speech today was a masterpeice of self gratification and delusion" .....

    How do you even start to think about how to hold talks with a person who deems himself as the true front to International law, right from wrong and a person who he feels should be on top of the pile leading the international stage! ...........

    In his address to G20 leaders, Vladimir Putin sought to relativise his war in Ukraine, calling it a tragedy but pointing to the bloody events on the Maidan in 2014, the subsequent war in Donbas (which he blames on Kyiv), and the loss of innocent life in Gaza as being equally shocking.

    A jarring juxtaposition of horrors, as if to suggest that wars are tragic and they happen but let's set aside our differences in spite of all that nastiness and try and solve global inequities together.

    To listen to his version of events, a non-attentive bystander might just be forgiven for missing that this was a man who had started the deadliest land war in Europe since the Second World War and, despite all the proclamations of his willingness to talk peace, has no apparent intention of stopping.

    Inflation, energy and food insecurity were nothing to do with him or his war in Ukraine, he maintained, rather economic mismanagement by the world's leading economies.

    Mr Putin loves to proclaim himself a champion of international law while transgressing its most fundamental principles with his invasion of Ukraine. He wants people to forget about that, now the focus has switched to Israel and Gaza.!!!!!
     
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    I just watched a documentary on Frontline from the U.S. titled 20 days in Mariupol. A very moving and also shocking in depth look at the happenings documented by a Ukrainian film crew who stayed in the city after most, if not all, western journalists had fled to safety. Most of the footage taken was unavailable for long periods during the siege of Mariupol due to the lengthy absence of internet connections created by the hostilities. It offered a fresh view of what actually happened down at street and neighbourhood level in a way that gave a totally different picture of the advance of the Russian troops into the city and the cameras were based in a local hospital for most of the footage. Scenes such as man holding his teenaged son, who had just had both legs blown off, as he was dying, and the death of a very young child who was receiving critical care in front of his mother before eventually being declared dead just tore my heart out. The brutality and senselessness of war was visible in plain sight but the suffering of innocents was hard to take especially when you consider it was all the work of one mad-man called Putin. Heart breaking watch for anyone with a conscience.
     
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    Vladimir Putin has called on Russian women to have eight or more children, as the numbers of casualties in Ukraine continue to rise.
    In a speech on Tuesday, he said increasing Russia's population and making large families "the norm" was "our goal for the coming decades", the Independent reports.
    Russia does not routinely release numbers for its war dead in Ukraine, but Kyiv claims to have killed more than 328,000 enemy personnel since the start of the full-scale invasion.
     
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    One has to assume that the present figures will be a disaster ..
    year.... population .......born ............ deaths ..... drop in population
    2021 .. 145,557,576 .. 1,398,253 .. 2,441,594 ... -1,043,341
    2022 .. 146,424,729 .. 1,304,087 .. 1,898,644 ... -594,557

    whether 2022 reflects war deaths is an unknown, but unlikely as death's in the list are listed as natural ones!!!!
     
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    hypersonic missiles shot down by UKRAINE ... very expensive missile shot down , 2 got through!
    Russia keeps throwing troops at Marinka they lose hundreds everytime they do .............. Putrid says/ promises no more mobilization in his 1 day phone in ..... wait and see if the worm turns after March 17th.
    Siberian Russians are forming / joining Ukranian troops to form battalions! Seems Kremlin is anti Siberian ...

    GEORGIA ... RUSSIA ANEXED parts of it... now building a massive naval base / deep water port on the annexed land .. next door [ down the coast is Georgia's port under going work as is the main route into Asia! ] they seem to be quietly anexxing loads in other areas under cover of the war!
     
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    realred1952 Well-Known Member

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    Putrids evil harbingers have no qualms about attacking "aid centres" hypocritical Putrid and his evil band of henchmen like Peskov Zakharova and Shoigu deny we attack attack civilians....


    Three humanitarian facilities shelled - as winter brings more need for aid

    Earlier this afternoon, we reported how the Ukrainian Red Cross said one of its warehouses had been destroyed in Kherson.
    It was not the only humanitarian storage facility hit by shelling, with one belonging to the NGO Shchedryk "burned to the ground", according to a spokesperson for the UN's humanitarian office.
    A third facility belonging to international aid organisation HEKS/EPER was also impacted, the UN Office for the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs (OCHA) said.
    "These attacks impact humanitarians' capacity to carry out their life-saving work and, ultimately, deny civilians their access to aid when they need it the most," said the spokesperson.

    Outbreak of 'mouse fever' reported in Russian troops, claims Ukraine
    A disease that causes people to bleed from their eyes, suffer with severe headaches and vomit several times a day is "mowing down" frontline Russian troops,
    "In the Kupyansk direction of the front of the occupiers, mouse fever is mowing down en masse," the disease, a type of streptococcal infection, is transmitted to humans through direct contact with rodents, or by inhaling their faeces.
    Complaints about the outbreak have been ignored by Russian commanders, who consider it an excuse to avoid fighting. As a result, mouse fever significantly reduced the fighting ability of Russian rats."
    A lack of provisions dont help............... as winter bites!
     
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    This sums it up very well indeed -

    Illegal migration: Why are these migrants so desperate to reach our shores? Leaving numerous safe countries (if they are even refugees) or just lying migrants claiming to be. BECAUSE THEY GET SO MUCH MORE FOR FREE HERE! Solution to problem. Take away incentive. Make it illegal to claim asylum in the UK if arriving from a safe country. Cut all free handouts Keep locked in secure barracks etc (like prisoners) (Remove freedom of movement in the UK) Deport when the remember where they actually came from! BUT NO: Our elite will have none of it. They rather keep us occupied debating discretionary issues like migration bill and ECHR than actually stopping the invasion!
     
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    It boggles my mind when I see the Border Services raiding an Indian restaurant looking for illegal immigrants working in the U.K. and then letting them leave knowing they will disappear into the wilderness before they will ever re-appear before the authorities. In my mind anyone who cannot prove their right to be in the U.K. at all, yet alone working, should be immediately detained pending deportation back from where they came even if they don't have a passport to prove their origin. The owner of the establishment supporting, and employing, these illegal immigrants should also face the same penalty and any citizenship be revoked for them and their entire family. Brutal measures indeed but I think any country that is abused by traffickers and businesses using illegal immigrants has to have the right to determine whether these cretins should be deported immediately. Letting other people and courts decide who should stay and who should go is just not on and full control has to be re-established before they take over the country before your very eyes. Looking at the billions spent on housing and supporting illegal entrants makes me sick when I think of the true people of the country suffering because of the drainage of money meant for other better things, such as the NHS and lowering taxes to stimulate the economy. How many of these blood suckers have ever contributed a single penny to the coffers of the country as that alone should bar them from entry and the right to stay. Huge ethnic enclaves have been created and believe me people in those areas have no good intent towards the ones who have lived on the island for centuries. Enough already because my thoughts on the situation facing the U.K. based on illegal immigration is radical, but based on logic, and that tells me that someone over there needs to get a set of balls and start making the right decision for a change. :headbang:
     
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  19. Angelicnumber16

    Angelicnumber16 Well-Known Member

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    Some i asylum seekers are going back to their own countries for the Xmas holidays !

    That’s the countries they’re ‘fleeing’ due to war, religious belief or sexuality

    If that doesn’t give the Home Office and Border Petrol the power to deny them access and put them on the next flight home if they return here then I don’t know what does

    You literally couldn’t make this sh*t up !
     
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    WELL not seen that so how do they get back "home" Ferry or airfare" ..

    modern day technology indicates who is travelling! I used to do up to 5 crossings a week on the ferry to calais/ dunkirque a week and often at 3 /4 trips per month you have to show your passports to board on freight tunnel either by French or English certainly coming back on tunnel you did. AIRPORTS "GREEN" route?
    Not sure how non eu system works ... so they should get stopped getting back in! which means via rules returned on next available flight to flights origin! by ferry? escorted by next ferry to France Belgium / etc
     
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