In "What can they **** up this week?" news, Anthony Taylor has been demoted. He will take charge of Coventry's match at Preston tomorrow at 3pm. It's his first match in the Championship since 2019. Taylor was the referee who gave the dodgy Newcastle penalty against Wolves. The one that everyone agreed was understandable at first watch, but VAR should've caught. Jarred Gillett was on VAR for that one. He's doing it again at Fulham v Man Utd tomorrow.
More VAR nonsense at St James Park. Havertz tackle was just a yellow? and the Newcastle 'goal' was ok after 4 minutes looking at the clear and obvious. I see no advantage of VAR except goal line decisions. Everything else is no better than not having it. Subjective decisions are part of football that's WHY we have referees. Just except that we will not all agree with every decision and realise that this is what makes football unique. If you don't like that, find another more 'exact' sport.
I don't agree, there are many occasions when the ref doesn't have a clear view and so gets the decision wrong. The correct decision is obvious on a TV replay. The Newcastle goal on Saturday evening was very unusual because it had three tricky issues, none of which the officials had a clear view of. The ball was in play by a few mm, the push was marginal and the offside impossible to judge even with a replay. But any one of those could have been a clear error. Goals change games and all available technology should be used to make sure decisions are correct.
That would all be fine if VAR could provide a definitive decision, as it does with the goal line decisions, it is more often than not just another subjective decision and as definitive as an opinion. In other words there is no advantage for the damage it does to goal celebrations. As you say goals change games and it's vital to the health of the game that goals are celebrated at the instant they are scored. VAR is not good enough in its present form. I would get rid of it, but if as is likely it is here to stay then more technology must be used. Sensors the use of cameras as in cricket, as you have suggested. Either go the whole hog with sensors everywhere in boots shirts and so on or ditch it.
I completely disagree with that. If a goal is scored by blatant cheating that the ref didn't spot then it is better for the health of the game if the goal is disallowed. If VAR takes a long time to allow a goal then the fans get to celebrate twice and that isn't harmful in any way. I think there are almost no instances of the VAR replacing a ref's subjective decision with one of his own... you claim that happens more often than not....some examples please.
I don't think that a lot of the controversial decisions are even difficult, though. The officials are just going by some other bizarre set of rules. They're not on the same page as the players, managers or fans. Havertz and Guimares should've gone and the goal shouldn't have stood. Not convinced it went over the line, but there was a push and a handball.
Blatant? An action done openly and unashamedly. If ref's don't spot that then they are probably corrupt. If you think that preventing the spontaneous enjoyment of a goal is ok, then you have no romance in your soul and we are are unlikely to agree. The Newcastle goal is such an example of VAR and subjective decisions in fact every VAR decision that is not about goal lines or off sides. All either enforce or suggest change to the refs subjective decisions. These are not scientific factual decisions they are opinions. The fact that the Newcastle goal is in the opinion of many not a goal shows the subjectivity of VAR. The ref. is sent over to the touch line to look at possible penalty decisions all of which are subjective.
It's a big fault in a manager, in my eyes. You need a manager to be strong, especially when you have just lost. Instead he sounds like an entitled spoilt brat. A clue perhaps as to why Arsenal collapsed at the end of last season.
You've missed both my points. You can celebrate a goal when it is scored. If it turns out not to have been scored fairly your disappointment should be directed at your player who broke the rules, not the VAR. For the Newcastle goal the VAR didn't overturn the onfield decision so it can't possibly be an example of one subjective decision being replaced by another.
Last night VAR corrected several errors by the onfield officials. I don't see how that is a bad thing. The Sterling handball is a very good example of blatant cheating which no official could see.
If we are on the subject of blatant cheating.... That was 3 (at least) examples from the same player last night. One deliberate handball that was picked up by VAR but Oliver did not card him, then two blatant dives, again one of which went to VAR and shown to be cheating, but no card on either occasion. The paucity or corruption of the match referee should be under scrutiny for three clear 'errors' in his part. However, just wondering why VAR didn't send him to the monitor for any of these or the elbow by James?
The diving or handballs would’ve “only” been yellow card offences, mate. VAR can’t intervene on them, only potential reds. Sterling definitely got away with a few last night though that’s for sure.
This is true, but VAR intervened in two instances of this anyway. The offences that it was used for weren't yellows, but his acts were. The first was Chelsea's first disallowed goal, which was a handball. I'm tempted to suggest that his ludicrous running stance meant it was natural. The second was Romero's red, which was immediately preceded by a clear and obvious dive. I don't see how you can overlook that, as it's clearly the same passage of play.
9 referrals to VAR in the first half alone, resulting in 15 minutes added time. It has literaly become VAR watch
The Sterling disallowed goal demonstrates a lot of the problem, for me. All they had to do was check if it hit his arm, which it clearly did. Should've taken 5 seconds. Minutes later and they're still looking at... something.
I think they are now terrified of missing something like a foul on Sterling prior to the handball. I think there is something to be said for each team having three referrals over the whole match excluding offsides and losing unsuccessful ones.
