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Dr Strangelove (how I learned to stop worrying and love Boris)

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  1. FellTop

    FellTop Well-Known Member

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    I remember sitting in my local, with my drinking mates. We are a really diverse bunch, high flying finance fella, senior police man, through to 3 lorry drivers, a nurse and a lad who cant work. We are a bunch of all sorts really. Politically really diverse as well. Absolute tory to the end, Labour forever and the odd one like me who floats about and is currently batting for the lib dems. Boris was appointed. I would say, 50% said he might well just sort Brexit out, which was the mandate really. The general view was he was so self centred and thick skinned he might sort out the mess. I was in that camp, although I dont think I have ever been in any fanboy club.

    Now the same bunch of drinkers are unanimous in derision for him. We have had some terrible PMs in my opinion, but he is the leader of that pack. Two fellas who are conservative at heart think the worst of him. I dont know any left in my little circle who are still in his fan club.

    One fella says something interesting. It has been said in the inquiry this week too. He says Boris needed a crisis but got the wrong one. He reckons it was too complicated for him to be able to pull all strings together and he was unable to lean on his experts. I dont know about that personally as it looks to me now he would have failed at any crisis because he didnt know his arse from his elbow. It is an interesting observation though I think. Either way he is toast, thankfully, lets hope we can move on as a country.
     
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  2. Smug in Boots

    Smug in Boots Well-Known Member

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    Boris Johnson believes he's the modern day Winston Churchill ...

    ... sadly he couldn't be closer to Mussolini in every way.

    They both never missed a chance to play dressing up games, were both arrogant beyond their intellect and thought their 'charisma' would always fool everyone ...

    ... but both ended up humiliated, kicked out of power and looking pathetic hanging from a wire <laugh>

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  3. The Exile II

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    Can't wait for this explanation mind......
     
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  4. The Exile II

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    Interesting snippet on Hancock today - I notice Pavlov's Posters have been very quiet, presumably because there wasn't much on the object of their obsession.....

    He seems to have insisted on being the one to make the decision on who lived and died if it came to it (presumably through issuing guidance to Doctors, not getting a phone call for each one like). Now normally a politician would run a mile from that kind of decision. I can't figure out why he would want to take that on without thinking it's a selfless decision, which goes against everything we know about him.
     
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    Smug in Boots Well-Known Member

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    More headline grabbing rhetoric from Sunak followed by a fudge and another payout from the taxpayers ...

    ... he's failed, with his promise, to stop the boats and will fail to remove these dogs, and the next similar breed, from our streets. By the end of the year was his boast <doh>

    "From 1st February 2024 it will then become illegal to own an XL bully dog - unless its owner applies for their animal to be registered on the Index of Exempted Dogs, and complies with a strict set of rules, by the end of January.

    The rules include a requirement to keep their pets muzzled, neutered, microchipped and kept on a lead at all times in public."


    So postmen, visitors, delivery drivers, etc, can still be attacked providing it's not in public ...

    ... that'll be a comfort.
     
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  6. FellTop

    FellTop Well-Known Member

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    So Labour are claiming the AI safety summit has been a job interview for Sunak with Musk, and overshadowed by the US and the EU. It shows a distinct lack of understanding on their behalf in my opinion. To misunderstand something as relatively simple as this is a worry. Likelihood is of course they do understand but are playing cheap politics in the hope voters dont understand.

    I am not suggesting this is all down to Sunak but what has been achieved at this summit is really postive and hugely necessary. It sets a framework internationally for governance. It is entirely different to what the US and the EU have announced, and very complimentary. Having somebody like Musk onboard, as much as I dont like him, gives a credibility politicians cant bring. Other tech leaders the same.

    I am having to work in this space a lot at the minute. Probably 50% of my time is taken up working out how to govern AI when the cork is already off the bottle. Musk is a doom monger on the subject, but his stark statements create a momentum for focus. The UK govt should get credit for the achievements this week. I certainly didnt think they would achieve so much. I can guarantee Labour will stick with it when in power, so petty criticism now does them no favours whatsoever. The sooner they start behaving like a party ready to lead, the more relaxed I may feel about them. I am not holding my breath.
     
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  7. Smug in Boots

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    To be perfectly honest mate, I don't think it'll be a big worry for too many people and not a decider in an election.

    It was a worthwhile exercise but, in the middle of two wars, the Covi enquiry, strikes and a cost of living crisis I don't think people will see it as the monumental moment that Sunak does.

    It was basically,

    'Are we all agreed we should monitor AI?'


    'Yes.'

    'Great, photo ops and lunch everyone?'
     
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  8. The Exile II

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    Start with RoboCop's directives, add a bit of Asimov's Law Of Robotics.

    When do I get my consultancy fee? ;)
     
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    It wont be an election winner. I think it is much more valuable than you suggest. Getting china onboard and the US is a game changer. In my opinion anyway. I suspect we will be relying on this commitment 10 years from now and beyond and Labour will want our country to be front and centre. What Labour need to do is stop attacking anything, focus on the real nonsense (there is enough of it) and demonstrate they can be international leaders. This sort of nonsense from their ministers must make international partners wonder about their credibility.
     
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    I don't trust either of them mate and don't don't believe we'll lead the world with AI, bit arrogant from Sunak if he thinks that imo ...

    ... and what have these countries committed to, I've no idea.

    It's a big worry for me personally tbh, Britain has become so dependent on banking, insurance, IT, etc, that a change in any of them could cripple us.
    We're already importing too many goods and allowing our production to become foreign owned.

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    Can't stop them coming, can't send them back, can't send them to Rwanda, can't process them or house them ...

    ... I have an idea <doh>
     
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    If you type words in the search bar at the top of the page such as, oh I don’t know, Churchill and Boris Johnson. Then type your own username below that. You can see how obsessed you really are.
     
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    Seems some tories believe this was "thick, thick, thick" from Rishi, so out of touch...

    Tory MPs have accused Rishi Sunak of “offering the electorate dystopia” after an appearance with Elon Musk in which the billionaire warned that artificial intelligence could take everyone’s jobs and leave them searching for meaning in their lives.

    Many MPs were left baffled by the prime minister’s decision to conduct an interview with the Tesla and X (formerly Twitter) owner at the end of the AI safety summit at Bletchley Park. However, some are furious about the event, which painted a bleak picture of the future.

    “I despair at No 10’s naivety,” said one senior Tory. “People are worried about their finances, climate change, pandemics, war in Eastern Europe and the Middle East and now the PM has provided Elon Musk with an interview platform to say, sometime soon, that they and their children will not have jobs, a life without meaning.

    “For crying out loud, we have a general election inside a year and the PM is offering the electorate dystopia. Thick, thick, thick.”

    It comes at a crucial moment for Sunak before a highly political king’s speech in which he plans to cause trouble for Labour over net zero goals and also launch a battle to be seen as the party for homeowners and renters.

    It’s utterly breathtaking. Unbelievable crassness. Who thought this was a good idea?
     
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    Smug in Boots Well-Known Member

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    As I said at the time ...

    "It was a worthwhile exercise but, in the middle of two wars, the Covid enquiry, strikes and a cost of living crisis I don't think people will see it as the monumental moment that Sunak does."

    It was basically,

    'Are we all agreed we should monitor AI?'


    'Yes.'

    'Great, photo ops and lunch everyone?'
     
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    BOOM, he got a lot more to worry about than that.

    Nadie Dories book The Plot is very revealing and quite explosive of the tory party.
    Surprised @The Exile II not been all over it.

    No wonder the government's MP,s are so ****, and a good explanation of why Cameron, Clegg, May Johnson and Truss have been ditched since 2010.
     
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  17. The Exile II

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    I try to avoid anything Nadine Dorres says.
     
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  18. FellTop

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    I dont know who these senior tories are, but in my opinion, and as someone trying to pick a path through AI for work, I can confidently say they are hopelessly wrong. It is a huge issue, that if left unchecked, could be the next generations problem and it will be another thing my lazy generation dismiss as not my problem. Like him or loathe him, Musk brings things to this debate politicians cannot.

    Of course there are things that are more relevant to people. And of course this wont save this senior tory their seat at the next election, but if we think political leaders should only focus on the hear and now I think that is sad. We need a political system accountble for short, medium and long term. The only reason I can see for criticising this important achievement is an obsession with Sunak that blinds people to any positives. There are plenty of tory mps in that bracket in my opinion and I have had enough of their selfishness.
     
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    Katie Hopkins and Tommy Robinson allowed back onto Twitter.

    Looks like the idea of shutting down debate because you don't like a different opinion is on its way out.
     
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    Just having pints and toasties after work and the Covid enquiry is on. It's like the Nuremberg war trials ...

    ... totally blasé about all the deaths and no humility whatsoever.

    The only difference is that the Nazis had a clear plan and decent organisation.
     
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