Patrice Evra, what a lovely man!!!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l4_fQXwIV4E Watch video at 35 mins 30
**** me not another one that does not know even know what racism means yet is on here spouting off about it.
I think we can all agree, I mean all, that this is a poxy diversion from football. Lets see what the FA does on this, hopefully they will come to a decision that lets both parties save face and put an end to this ****
It's absolutely ridiculous that it has gotten this far and taken this long and all in the media spotlight ( i wonder who is to blame for that).
I know certain gobs should have been kept shut, but we know you don't offer an opponent an opportunity and he offered one by gobbing off, Suarez that is. He could have just callled him a gimp or soemthing instead. He gave the fool ammo and he used it to cause Suarez grief. It took the both of em to make this fancy dress kick off We know Suarez is as Feisty as Evra is Nancy
Lets get this straight from the start, what fergie said was not racist IMO ( but others may disagree). However, you are clearly misguided on what racism is, I could quote certain bits of legislation almost verbatim certain but what's easier is to look at your example in real life. What do you do for living? You generally talk some sense so I expect you do have a job, so imagine putting your theory to the test in your line of work. eg job adverts stating that no germans can apply or a sign up in a shop window saying no pakistanis allowed? Apart from having your windows bricked, how long do you think you could get away with that legally? Now you may say my examples are extreme but the principle is the same. Many people disagree with the legal definitions of racism (I do) but that is the law.
You're confusing the definition of racism, which is a belief system, and racial discrimination, which is a defined legal issue. Racism refers to the belief that there are somehow fundamental differences between racial groups, with racial groups being people with common, genetically linked, physical characteristics, such as skin color or hair type. Racial discrimination is a legal categorisation by the UN, EU and other governments, which is a blanket definition referring to discrimination along the lines of racial, national, ethnic, and colour bases. Technically I would call those racial discrimination, nationalist discrimination, ethnic discrimination and colourist discrimination, but legally they are all dumped together for clarity. With regards to SAF's comments, I would say he is being nationalist, claiming that all citizens of Germany have some connection that makes them "typical Germans". But not racist unless you believe the "typical Germans" thing refers to the Teutonic / Aryan race. With regards to a job advert stating Germans cannot apply, that would contravene the Race Relations Act 1976, and Equality Act 2010, which prohibit discrimination on the grounds of race, with race including nationality. So legally it would be racial discrimination, but socially and ethically I would call it nationalist discrimination.
Personally, I think a lot of this crap could be avoided by getting rid of post-match interviews which are purely used by the media to get players and managers to things they shouldn't. I'd prefer more post-match analysis, assuming we can find better pundits than whichever ex-player muppets happened to be around that day.
This is my view We have evidence on an official Mexican Club Website that Hernandez uses the word Negrito,in a friendly manor, the same word Suarez used We from the media are also led to believe that De Gea & Hernandez use the term Negrito towards Evra ,as a term of affection. We also have evidence of Fergie coming out with what is probably Xenophonic language,which maybe some may even construe as racist We have evidence that Evra himself uses the term " ni**er" not the less offensive negrito when he loses his temper in an hotel while playing for Monaco We have an instance only last week of a Spanish under 21 player calling his team mate "negrito" on twitter,with no ill fall out what so ever We also have occasions of racism alleged by Evra ,which have been thrown out ,as not being racist And we have people from a Hispanic background saying, that the term negrito is not an offensive term in there culture/language In My Opinion............ CASE DISMISSED!!!!
Well, that's not how it works. Consider a random phrase like 'sup n*gga' and two different contexts: 1. In the pub with my very good Nigerian friends. 2. On the street to a random stranger. One is racist, the other is not. The stranger doesn't know that I use that phrase affectionately with my friends - he doesn't care, I've offended him in a racial way. Context is everything and in this case Suarez was in a position of opposition to Evra, so can't use the same language his friends might.
The law cannot discriminate on the grounds of relationship. After all you could fall out with on of your Nigerian friends and then he would care. The ONLY thing that the law can take into consideration is the intent.
The law does that all the time. There is a big difference between sex with your wife, and sex with a random drunken girl picked up on a night out. In the second case, you run the risk that she might decide it was all a bad mistake and accuse you of rape. The onus is on the user of language to decide whether the words used may offend the listener, not on the listener to interpret those words through the lense of the user's background.
You can be accused of rape by your wife and be convicted for it. Sorry but you are wrong. Everybody has the right to be insulted. However, if you want to make that insult out to be racially motivated then the recipient has to be able to prove that was the intent of the originator.
I think you'll be disappointed by the outcome then. If it is proven that Suarez used 'negrito' towards Evra, then he is likely to be punished. Raising awareness of issues like racism means being aware that phrases that may be acceptable in your culture are not acceptable in others - and ignorance is no excuse. You made the point yourself that my Nigerian friend could be insulted by 'sup n*gga' depending on what mood he is in, which is why I wouldn't use the phrase at all. Personally, I'd like Evra and Suarez to do a Blatter-shake and admit the cultural misunderstanding, but an example is likely to be made to highlight that people need to choose their words carefully, especially towards people of different backgrounds. Intent does matter, which is why any punishment Suarez gets should be minimal compared to Terry's.
No i think you will be disapponited with the outcome If the Suarez case doesnt get dropped, we will have to start callin the FA the "Fergie Association".Thats the only reason Evra will win this case, there numerous reasons why it should get dropped as I mentioned earlier.But only 1 reason why it might not get dropped "Fergie"
I don't want Suarez to be banned - the whole thing is a bit silly, but don't let me stop your conspiracy theories. There are some similarities here with the Rio case. No-one was able to prove the intent of Rio missing his test but the FA decided to prove that it was serious about drugs in sport and made an example of him.
They are separate, albeit linked and easily confused, issues. Racism is a prejudice, which implies it can be passive and verbal in nature. You can hate one racial group without taking any overt action. It only becomes racial discrimination when there are specific actions involved designed to hinder that group. The law discriminates on the grounds of relationship all the time. In fact, marital rape has only been illegal in England since 1991, and has a separate section of the law when compared to common rape. Also punching your own child is a different legal offence from punching another person's child, stealing from an employer is different from shoplifting and so on. Likewise, if you call someone a racist term in the street the law does nothing. If you call a co worker a racist term you'll be in trouble. And besides which, we aren't talking about the law here, we're talking about the FA regulations. And those are all about the relationships - between the clubs, players, managers, referees etc etc. I disagree with that mate - in the Rio case only the punishment was designed to make an example, not the actual conviction. Rio was outright guilty of missing that test.
