One thing I don't get, if the players aren't putting a shift in or doing what Ten Hag wants, why isn't he on on the touchline telling them? Why does he stand at the back of the dugout just watching? I really think his presence and voice would make a difference to the way we're playing and also to the fans.
Only a complete fool tries the same thing over and over, each time expecting a different result - and that is ETH at the moment. No matter who puts on the shirt, the team play exactly the same way, pedestrian in defence, sideways in midfield until finally we find ourselves in a well defended final third with little or no scoring opportunities. Now, they are either being coached in this style of play, or it is a feature of our game that has been allowed to creep in unchecked - either way it's on the coaches and ETH to address and improve, but we haven't. For us to get rid of ETH would cost in the region of £15m a lot of money, but we look set to lose that much in revenues by failing in the CL this year (let's be honest) and because of that, the same amount again from our Adidas sponsorship deal. Who to replace him with part-way through the season - **** knows, but he needs to show sustained improvement quickly or he's out. ETH won't give a ****, he'll be £15m better of and Ajax will bite his hand off to get him back to sort out the mess that they are in.
I think things have reached a point of no return with ETH. The mediocrity has become endemic across the team and it’s going to be very hard to cure that without a very hard change. I also don’t think this has anything to do with Sancho. Why the hell should it? He’s frozen out, but others should be performing. More importantly, we’ve been poor throughout preseason and we came into the season with that form long before the whole debacle. We have Mount who has registered ONE fkin assist all season. ONE! From a corner as well. The team has been completely destabilized with the transfers made this summer, the players loaned, and ultimately, the system.
The big problem we have is that our footballing authority stops with ETH, we don't have in place a hierarchy that is singing from the same song sheet as the manager and if the players fall out with/fall foul of ETH they think, like Sancho, that they can sulk it out. Knowing that it is only the manager that they upset is completely different to a player knowing that if they **** with the manager, they **** with the club. That's what comes of everyone else at the club, bar the manager, being consumed with making money for the Glazers. We need a DoF, whoever the manager is, needs the support of a DoF, I suspect we are one of the very few clubs left in the PL without one.
Bang on I'd say - https://www.skysports.com/football/...-lack-of-surety-behind-scenes-at-old-trafford
Well 18 months ago I thought we appointed Richard Arnold as the new CEO and John Murtough as Director of Football???? I thought at the time the change of CEO and the appointment of a DOF was exactly what was needed. I said at the time that the CEO and DOF should decide on the identity and style of the football the club wanted and then appointed a manager who shared that vision, and the recruitment matched that... as did the coaching and training and the grass roots academy philosophy. That's what I thought had been happening over the past 18 months.
I think you almost need a reset I am not going to lie I think we may have got a bit lucky this summer but I will wait till end of season to confirm judgement we needed an entire midfield rebuild probably summer before last things happened and our midfield just went Thiago is a split opinion over on our board but because we lost the players we did we have had to recruit fast loads turned us down - so I think we have got a bit lucky as I don’t think Klopp would have ditched everyone that fast if at all think you guys sort of need something like that aswell as a few tweeks upstairs
It's difficult to debate these things on your board as apparently all our players are either average or **** and not good enough for a top 5 club, which is utter bollox. What I will say though, and it's a credit to your whole system and the manager, is that whoever you recruited for that midfield as long they are half decent, comes into an embedded playing style and system and quickly knows how the team plays, their role within that system and the expectations. We're nowhere near that atm.
Tbf that’s where I move away I am record somewhere as saying that I am not wumming Genuinely interested in how it’s going at Utd Generally safer here to stay on topic if I engage. I defo don’t believe your squad is ****e I also think you have a cracking manager and the ones who have gone before have been good too which is what makes what I am seeing all the stranger I do think Ole was really unlucky (not saying he was brilliant or poor) in so far as he had a system and then Greenwood happened and that impacted that massively imho from then on things have just lurched a bit As I say moving forward think you need to work out who is causing grief and try and dislodge them TalkSPORT (not the best but) had fans who were pointing fingers at Rashford and Martial Obviously I don’t see a lot of your games but I always found those two to be top end players I am erring on the side of maybe it’s a change higher up required The Utd fans I work with have held this opinion for quite a long time now. if that is the case I think this season could be tricky ?
The problems are many, where to begin? I'm not so troubled by who we've bought. IF we've brought the manager in to play a certain style of football and he then says he wants x, y, z player because it fits in that system then trust the manager right? Either that or bring in someone better. So then what's the bigger problem? Well to answer that you watch our games. And having done that all season it's one or more of the following imo.. 1) We have players doing what the manager wants.... and the football is ****. 2) We have injuries and the players coming in are significantly impacting on the team being able to do what the manager wants them to do...and the football is ****. 3) We have players who collectively haven't got a clue what the manager wants them to do... and the football s ****. 4) We have players don't believe in what the manager wants them to do....and the football is ****. Coupled with... 5) Because of 2), 3), 4) if he wants to try other players they are ALL players who know he wanted them out in the summer - Sancho, McTominay, Maguire etc but we couldn't shift so they sure as **** aren't going to be on board. 6) Overpaid players who seem to have lost the desire to do what the manager wants them to do, and KNOW that if they don't play it impacts on the commercial side of the business and therefore if they stink up the place, those above the manager won't give a **** and/or won't be able to sell them either. I think that sums things up. Now where do you start sorting all that **** out? If you're the manager? Bring in the reserves?
The situation is made all the more ridiculous because, primarily, we brought in ETH because of the style of play he developed at Ajax and the success that brought, yet ETH came out the other day to say that it would be impossible for him to play the same football here - and that, with five or six ex-Ajax players in the side. If he can't get us playing that same, dynamic football, then why the **** is he here.
I can’t believe you wrote all that stuff without getting bored with yourself for using too many words. You must be p!ssed at the situation! Haha
The problem is that he allowed a bad situation to turn into a culture. Not that the problem is one person. It’s a cluster fk of different issues. So many good players are out on loans which made the injury situations worse. We bought Antony to play on the right, for example. I’ve been questioning that logic since that signing and it sadly just never worked out. The bs about inverted right/left is not what we need. We needed direct players on the flanks and by losing production on that right side, it puts all the load on the left and center. With Rashford completely out of sorts, the load then shifted to the middle that is dysfunctional at best and worst nonexistent. Then we did again by bringing in Mount. Mount and Bruno just never clicked. They have both progressively become worse players. So, with the right side fked, Rashford wasting on the left, the midfield of the park fked, No wonder we can’t score goals. And with the whole midfield fked, logic dictates that defensively we would suffer. The pain won’t end until ETH goes right back to the drawing board. He effectively has to pretend that he’s a new manager and start again. If he doesn’t, we will remain fked until he gets a sack, then the story starts all over again as usual. Such nonsense when you consider that most of those players play together at the international level.
Did he really say that? I didn't know. If he did then he could mean it's impossible because of the circumstances? Those change and then he can. I'm trying to put emotion to one side and look for a way out of this for ETH to improve our football. He managed it last season.
“We will never play the football we played at Ajax here,” said Ten Hag after the Manchester derby. “I now have other players, that’s not why I came here.” So it seems that's not why we brought him to the club.
That's not why he came, but I'm certain that's why we brought him in - something has changed, perhaps he's realised that too many of our squad are just lazy arses, who are content to pick up the wages without putting in the shift, and now the reality has dawned on him. I doubt the Glazers brought him in on the promise of something he had never done before - that's bollocks, they looked at Ajax and thought that i9f they bring in their manager, we would play the same, but better, because we are a big PL club. Everyone has been ****ed now the smoke has cleared.......
