From what i've seen there is only one answer to this, and that is to completely destroy Hamas, a cowardly terrorist group that hides behind Palestinian civilians, and hides within their hospitals. please log in to view this image
The people of Cornwall get to decide bruv, thought you would have worked that out by now. please log in to view this image
The only things that make this forum tick, is the knowledge of someone voting Tory, wanting Man City to win, and giving Israel your full and total support.
You know the point I’m making It’s about the choices you’re proposing. Maybe one of the choices they should be given is to return to the 1947 partition plan, but with equitable access to trade, sea ports and agricultural land If the parameters are fair, then yes of course Gazans and Palestinians should choose. But don’t suggest two unacceptable positions and then say they should choose between what’s the least worst
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When I come to power. You can choose between scrubbing the floors or cleaning out the bogs and don’t say I didn’t allow you to choose
The two positions aren't unacceptable. They are the only possibilities at this stage. One is for Gaza to be incorporated into an independent Palestinian state with full control of its own maritime and air spaces. This will mean regular hard borders with border control and trade tariffs etc. with both Egypt and Israel. Much like we have with the EU since Brexit. This is totally normal. Nothing can force Israel or Egypt to have soft borders with Gaza. I don't know why that is so contentious. It will also require ingenuity to establish land contingency with the West Bank. Ingenuity is required because a regular road system cuts Israel in half. Back in 2006 experts were working on a potential tunnel system but the costs would be astronomical. Think HS2 to the power of another HS2. Who pays for that? The other option is to be absorbed into Egypt with full access to its economy etc. and access to pre existing trade deals with Israel, currently projected to generate $700m income per year within 3 years. Both options have strong pros and strong cons. Both involve sacrifice. Neither is simple. Neither appears unacceptable.
probably easier if we nuked the whole area and be done with the nonsense init fk em all they can meet thy gods they always craved we can all go camping en init
It's a complete straw man argument about what they'd want. Palestinians in the Gaza strip are largely, either themselves or their descendants, refugees of the Nakba which literally means disaster because they were forced to leave their homes. The idea that you would then palm them off to Egypt and they'd be happy with that is nonsensical. If you opened the borders right right now, other than the foreign nationals, no one would freely want to go to Egypt, so why would they want their land a part of it. Secondly as I've mentioned, there is a historical, family, and deep routed identity connection between the ppl of Gaza and the West Bank. It would literally be like what Hamas has been saying to Israelis since 2017 which is, all the jews can stay but the whole place will be called Palestine. Would they accept that? On the point of economy, it's hard for there to be any economy when you've had a blockade by land, sea, and air for 17 yrs. Economies grow by trade. There is none right now. But there are indicators of the potential because those Gazans that get [permits to leave and work outside of Gaza are earning. That wouldn't be enough on its own, because you'd still need Gaza to be prosperous on its own and that will only happen if a Palestinian state of West Bank & Gaza came into place.
No that will never happen. 1967 borders should be the aim but Israelis won't give up all of the illegal settlements so even that is unlikely. There may be some trade off with land elsewhere, but East Jerusalem will be the sticking point as no way Palestiinians want to give away any of that. Gaza and West Bank can be connected by tunnel or bridge. Both have been proposed in the past.
Thousands of Hamas rockets still targeting Israel, some have got through to Tel Aviv and hit buidlings. If I was Israel, I wouldn't stop, why would I? You can't play the victim, but still allow rockets to be fired from Gaza territory. If rockets were hitting the UK, you would just fire back and obliterate where they are coming from. Stop poking the bear, I said exactly the same about Putin. Let's not forget Hamas has leaders in countries of safety, they along with the Nations that house those leaders have the power to tell Hamas to stop. The sufferings of Palestinians is completely on those that chose not to shut Hamas down.
I know you're coming at this from a pragmatic approach. And the option for Gaza to be incorporated into a Palestinian state with full control of it's own maritime and air space is the better of those options. I don't think the border issues are a problem, that's fairly standard around the world in lots of places. A blockade on goods and services entering and leaving by another country isn't, so that has to be binned off. The idea of incorporating Gaza into Egypt is a non starter, and I would suggest for Palestinians too, it is an abhorrent idea. As Treble says, if the shoe were on the other foot, there's no way Israeli's would accept a much shrunk Israeli state being farmed off into Jordan or Lebanon (I know there are other issues involved with that scenario) Infrastructure issues aside, you mention sacrifice. But my main thrust here is where is the sacrifice from Israel ? This issue keeps coming back to the fact that Israel is illegally occupying Palestine and has been subjugating it's people for decades. Under international law, Israel is flouting its duties and continues, with support from the west, to make further encroachments into Palestinian territory. Palestinians are supposed to be the ones making compromises and sacrifices here, but nobody is addressing the massive elephant in the room, which is Israel giving back land and resources that it took from Palestine. To the point where Palestinians are 2nd class citizens in their own country. I'm aware that is it a long road to this position, and again I understand that pragmatism is informing your stance on this. But the long term ambition should be to work towards land repatriation and a genuine and equal two state solution.
