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WAR! What is it good for?

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  1. PINKIE

    PINKIE Wurzel Gummidge

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    Difficult to know what to believe sometimes.... but a grizzly end for those poor people :(
     
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  2. Libby

    Libby Derby County, we're coming for you

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    Prob best to start with the assumption that everything is bollocks
     
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    I've maintained several times on this thread, that Israel are not interested in the hostages, they are already dead because Hamas will use them as a shield to locations or people, as Hamas have used the Palestinian people. Israel is hell bent on annihilating Hamas, and to do that it means the hostages cannot live. Yes we've seen four hostages released so far, but that's just Hamas dangling a carrot to the negotiators this is what you could have, but the end game will run out for Hamas, because once all the hostages are dead, they will have no bargaining chips - it may seem callous to say that, but that's the sort of evil we are dealing with, war is'nt pretty and on the 7th October Hamas tore up the rule book to humanity.
     
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    I'm afraid so mate.
     
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  5. Libby

    Libby Derby County, we're coming for you

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    Yeah I don't expect many more hostages to come out alive at all. Think Israel will have already written them off tbh and a lot of the negotiations will be for foreign citizens.
     
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    I know CK don't like me saying this but I think the hostages were wrote off from the beginning. I just can't see how they can lay claim to annihilating Hamas, without consequences.

    When the last two hostages got released, sometime around that period, Hamas were due to release 50 hostages, so they claimed, but it never happened for whatever reason. Then oddly Israel kill one of the Hamas leaders, and it's announced the 50 hostages are dead.

    Now everything claimed might not be true because that's a hell of a lot of human bargaining chips thrown away in one fell swoop,
     
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    aberdude Well-Known Member

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    Desperately trying to silence the likes of me who don’t agree that Israel should exist <laugh>

    the Nazis don’t want opposition see censorship during their reign as a political tool during the 30-40s in Germany

    the resistance will keep resisting <cheers>

    As brb stated yesterday anything illegal views wise will be subject to deletion and probably a ban so the message is getting through without the thought of the consequences for the future of the freedoms men and women fought and died for



    <laugh>
     
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  9. Treble

    Treble Keyser Söze

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    While the world's and media's eyes are focused on Gaza, there needs to be more coverage of what's happening in the West Bank where over a hundred civilians have been killed, midnight raids by the IDF in effect kidnapping ppl and keeping them without charge, land grabs and displacement of many more from their homes including many in refugee camps.

    And it's all being done by IDF and israeli settlers in collaboration. This is one such example. It's one of many, not an exception.

    The abuse lasted almost a whole day. Soldiers and settlers detained and handcuffed three Palestinians from the West Bank village Wadi as-Seeq, and for hours, according to the Palestinians, they were severely beaten, stripped to their underwear, and photographed handcuffed, in their underwear. Their captors urinated on two of them and extinguished burning cigarettes on them. There was even an attempt to penetrate one of them with an object.

    https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news...stinians/0000018b-530f-d1d7-ab8b-7f5fca1d0000
     
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    Zionist are terrible humans no wonder they don’t want bad press and instead forces them to follow the narrative of its the Jews v Muslims

    fact is you don’t have to be Jewish to have Zionists and agree with its ideologies….see American Christians for example or the sunak crowd whatever he’s supposed to be mask wise these days
     
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    Treble Keyser Söze

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    I think what it highlights is what's always been going on when there's no major conflict going on. The daily abuse, persecution, murder of Palestinians in the West Bank. The destruction of their homes in East Jerusalem and the land grab, never gets the spotlight and those attrocities never highlighted.

    Also confirms in my mind once the conflict dies down, we'll just go back to the status quo for the Palestinians and their plight.
     
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    'Support for Netanyahu's government was weakening before war'
    A British-Israeli journalist tells the BBC that if elections in Israel had been held on the eve of the war, Netanyahu would have been voted out.



    Israeli intelligence was warned days before about Hamas' planned attack..... but did nothing to stop it.

    Call me a cynic...but there's nothing like a good old war to bolster an ailing leader's ratings in the polls.

    It's been mentioned on here before, Netanhayu almost seemed to revel in this attack in order that he could unleash Hell on Gaza

    And now the West Bank....
     
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    I think it could be worse

    CK tries to dismiss it out of hand, but Israel are trying to move Gazans into the Sinai, displacement into Egypt, another Nabka. Leaving Gaza completely in the hands of Israel. As the article that the National Security institute and Zionist strategy wrote (the one the brb had a pissy fit about) that spoke about prime land grab opportunities... blood in the streets, the disaster capitalists dream scenario.

    Add to that, Israel will now claim that their security needs far outweigh any need to protect Palestinian rights.

    To hell in a handcart

    And backed by a grinning Biden and Sunak
     
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    Treble Keyser Söze

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    Tbh I don't know about that. The one thing Netanyahu and his cronies offered was security.

    He's now presided over the worst attack on Israeli soil ever.

    There are daily protests outside the knesset.

    His only hope which hangs by a thread is that he can sell the idea to the public he's destroyed Hamas (even if he hasn't) and the hostages come home (sadly unlikely) and then he might just have a chance.

    And I say he might just have a chance because despite everything (irrespective of what the majority of the public may want, and because of the flawed PR system in the knesset) he always manages to come back.
     
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    Treble Keyser Söze

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    I don't think Israel gives a flying fck about Gaza tbh.

    They want East Jerusalem (the holy sites) and the majority of the West Bank.
     
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    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/oct/12/israel-hamas-war-egypt-warned-foreign-affairs-gaza

    But you're right, Netanhayu is like a ****in vampire always rising from the dead.

    A man with various corruption charges, bribery, fraud against him. Doing favours for his rich business chums

    Proper scumbag
     
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    FosseFilberto Pizzeria Superiore and some ... Forum Moderator

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    Whilst I hate to contradict you... I believe the phrase is "hissy fit" <whistle>
     
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    it’s a sabbatean death cult wa nk fest <cheers>
     
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    Treble Keyser Söze

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    I know I shouldn't mention this because it's apparently 'unhelpful' or as I like to think, inconvenient...

    Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu defended Israel’s regular allowing of Qatari funds to be transferred into Gaza, saying it is part of a broader strategy to keep Hamas and the Palestinian Authority separate, a source in Monday’s Likud faction meeting said.Netanyahu explained that, in the past, the PA transferred the millions of dollars to Hamas in Gaza. He argued that it was better for Israel to serve as the pipeline to ensure the funds don’t go to terrorism.“Now that we are supervising, we know it’s going to humanitarian causes,” the source said, paraphrasing Netanyahu. <laugh>

    The prime minister also said that, “whoever is against a Palestinian state should be for” transferring the funds to Gaza, because maintaining a separation between the PA in the West Bank and Hamas in Gaza helps prevent the establishment of a Palestinian state.


    There's a video of him giving that speech to Likud but I can't find it.

    The Jerusalem Post article https://www.jpost.com/arab-israeli-...-strategy-to-keep-palestinians-divided-583082
     
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