1. Log in now to remove adverts - no adverts at all to registered members!

A dozen games in - time for recap?

Discussion in 'Cardiff City' started by Oldsparkey, Oct 22, 2023.

  1. BrizzleBluebird

    BrizzleBluebird Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 16, 2011
    Messages:
    4,028
    Likes Received:
    7,180
    I said similar on the match thread... defensively he just didn't seem to track back with any real intensity. It could just be that he looks a bit languid in his approach but to my amateur eye he was happy to go forward but was less enthusiastic about the "dirty" work than the likes of Robbo, Wintle, Grant and even Bowler, who all put shifts in whilst on the pitch.

    We may have been home and dry as far as the result goes but slacking off (or switching off) from defensive duties has cost us dearly several times this season whilst we've been in "commanding" positions. There is no excuse for lack of hard work/effort regardless of how talented you may be (or think you may be) - even Messi and Ronaldo work their nads off most of the time.... if they can do it.... :emoticon-0138-think
     
    #21
    BluefromBridgend and Oldsparkey like this.
  2. Oldsparkey

    Oldsparkey Well-Known Member Forum Moderator

    Joined:
    Jan 27, 2011
    Messages:
    27,846
    Likes Received:
    15,450
    Lots of excuses for him in the recent past - his young age, he's just learning the game, he's had growing problems - all in all not a reason for lack of attitude.

    Whether we were coasting at 4-0 or trying to get the winner in a tight game, Colwill's lacadaisical attitude off the ball doesn't sit well with me and I expect a lot of others. I respect that Bulut has worked him out and has said so. He's a passenger at the moment and if he's given other chances before January and doesn't take them, then I think a loan deal is on the cards.
     
    #22
  3. BluefromBridgend

    BluefromBridgend Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    May 31, 2011
    Messages:
    20,210
    Likes Received:
    11,345
    I have said the same about Colwill for some time. That switch inside his head needs turning.

    His physique and running style doesn't help him do the hard work but he needs to get over that.

    With him and Ugbo on the park at the same time we were playing with 9 1/2 men so it is no wonder Huddersfield picked up in the last 15 minutes.

    NB: The half wasn't Ugbo. Niasse contributed more in his time. That speaks volumes.

    We need Etete fit soon and a competent striker to be signed in January.
     
    #23
    BrizzleBluebird and clingo like this.
  4. ninian opinion

    ninian opinion Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 31, 2011
    Messages:
    12,248
    Likes Received:
    10,906
    Like it or not I’m going to sit on the fence with Colwill for the time being.

    But as far as Ugbo is concerned I’m off the fence; he’s woeful.
     
    #24
  5. irishbluebird

    irishbluebird Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 27, 2011
    Messages:
    3,221
    Likes Received:
    4,423
    Could it be that Colwill is playing in the wrong position? When I’ve watched him play on the left/ midfield he seemed to be a better player. Now he is occupying a right/ midfield position when he is brought in. He just looks awkward.
    But I do agree he needs to up his game no matter how long he is on the pitch.
     
    #25
  6. ninian opinion

    ninian opinion Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 31, 2011
    Messages:
    12,248
    Likes Received:
    10,906
    Good to see our aerial threat from corners has returned:emoticon-0148-yes:
     
    #26

  7. BluefromBridgend

    BluefromBridgend Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    May 31, 2011
    Messages:
    20,210
    Likes Received:
    11,345
    That good?
     
    #27
    ninian opinion and clingo like this.
  8. jck200

    jck200 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 24, 2011
    Messages:
    1,892
    Likes Received:
    71
    The good news is Wintle was dropped and we went 4-0 up, Wintle came on and were under pressure 2nd half. Colwill has hardly played. Ugbo was scoring goals but had no chance as he came on when we were lumping high balls in the second half/ Word of praise for Meitie who did well and needed that goal. Why was Allnick kicking long at 4-0? and the defender were kicking it long straight back to them? With luck Bowler will keep up his good work. Unlike everyone else I think Colwill is more than capable given game time, Ugbo is a goalpoacher and you dont want him running around the pitch. I only see Wintle pass back and sideways that is if he passes to one of our players. Siopsis, is beyond me running around and mainly giving away fouls. Ralls played well and we went 4-0 up Wintle comes on and we stop scoring. No one has to agree with me, it certainly does not bother me people are praising up the very players I would drop.
     
    #28
  9. BluefromBridgend

    BluefromBridgend Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    May 31, 2011
    Messages:
    20,210
    Likes Received:
    11,345
    But you would pick Useless Ugbo. Doesn't say much for your selection process. As most of us thought at the start of the season, he is a waste of space.

    You say he is a goal scorer, he got 2 in 27 games for Troyes last season. Hardly a glowing reference.

    While the subs improved our game Saturday they did the opposite against Huddersfield, Tanner apart.

    It is a team game which requires all 11 players to buy in to the team plan. That involves movement, pressing, marking, challenging as well as making space, time and striking.

    Apart from being able to tap in from 6 feet or so I'm afraid Ugbo has few of the other attributes and the team is much worse for it.

    Meite to start Saturday and as soon as Etete is fit Ugbo shouldn't even be on the bench.

    Yes, guys I've bitten again. I can't resist it. <whistle> <yikes> <doh>
     
    #29
    ninian opinion and clingo like this.
  10. ccfcremotesupport

    ccfcremotesupport Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 29, 2011
    Messages:
    14,452
    Likes Received:
    11,739
    <laugh>
     
    #30
  11. jck200

    jck200 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 24, 2011
    Messages:
    1,892
    Likes Received:
    71
    Like I said im not really interested if you do not agree, this is my opinion, your welcome to yours.
     
    #31
  12. BluefromBridgend

    BluefromBridgend Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    May 31, 2011
    Messages:
    20,210
    Likes Received:
    11,345
    Just that your opinion is uninformed, irrelevant and with virtually no football knowledge.

    Most posters on here are able, and do, have a reasoned discussion about football. You don't!!!
     
    #32
  13. BrizzleBluebird

    BrizzleBluebird Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 16, 2011
    Messages:
    4,028
    Likes Received:
    7,180
    Ok, so.....

    I can't disagree that when Wintle came on we lost some of our attacking impetus, BUT.......

    Wintle came on 2 minutes after one of our main attacking outlets had been replaced (Meite).
    Meite of course was replaced by Ugbo, who, whilst I won't write him off completely, isn't anywhere near as accomplished or effective as Meite.

    We'd also put massive effort in by that point as an entire team, so were understandably fading.

    Combine that lot with the fact that Huddersfield were going for broke and going very direct then it was always going to become more of a rearguard action.

    Colwill also wasn't working as hard off the ball as his predecessor on the pitch ... he's got plenty of potential but really does need to up his effort and improve his mentality it seems.

    I know you'll no doubt disagree with everything I've just said (including the FACTS on the substitutions as a whole) but that's your prerogative and what makes football such a great conversation topic, we can all see things differently... in some cases extremely differently.
     
    #33
  14. Oldsparkey

    Oldsparkey Well-Known Member Forum Moderator

    Joined:
    Jan 27, 2011
    Messages:
    27,846
    Likes Received:
    15,450
    The problem with the Wintle/Ralls combo was one of Bulut's own making - he had them both in the wrong positions.

    Wintle is far more effective mopping up in front of the back 4 rather than trying to prompt the front 3. Though no No. 10, Ralls is more suited in a forward position. The switch to include Robbo in there allowed Ralls to drop back at the expense of Wintle - there was no way Siopis would make room for him.

    All in all, the starting shift by Bulut was positive, and when eventually Wintle came on, he was playing in his better position. He wasn't on there to provide the ammunition - that was Colwill's job and it was him who failed his task.

    Being 4 goals up and obviously tiring may incline existing players on the pitch to slack off, but that should make no difference to the subs who should provide a lift - Colwill didn't and I've got serious doubts about his future at the club.
     
    #34
  15. ninian opinion

    ninian opinion Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 31, 2011
    Messages:
    12,248
    Likes Received:
    10,906
    <doh><doh><doh> <laugh>
    upload_2023-10-27_11-4-2.jpeg
     
    #35
  16. ccfcremotesupport

    ccfcremotesupport Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 29, 2011
    Messages:
    14,452
    Likes Received:
    11,739
    Just watched the extended highlights from Tuesday.

    Fair comments on tiredness and other changes affecting how other changes looked Brizzle.
    We'll never know, but Wintle may have performed very differently had he started the game instead of Ralls.

    A good team performance.
    If we can get a settled side, we'll be a handful for anyone. I don't necessarily mean the same 11 every game, but the core of the front 6 with one or two like for like changes.

    The rotation by the front 4, the running off the ball and doing the simple things right will hurt anyone.
    Yak was willing to go wide, and when he did, Robinson stepped into the 9 slot. Robinson would drift wide and Bowler or Grant would drift onto the 10 slot. Defenders hate that.

    We've blown a bit hot and cold since our 4 on the bounce. No doubt a couple injuries have hurt us. It's consistency we need to find. A similar performance last weekend would have earned us 3 points at Blackburn.

    Isn't it funny that last season, Wintle was seen as a fans favourite, and for the last couple seasons, Ralls has been past it (and for many, never had it).
    A word for Siopis. He did the grunt, mopping up, snuffing out attacks, simple passes to the creative players, getting the ball moving forward. A big asset, in a little body.

    Like the team, Erol has had a couple wobbles, but it looks like his message is getting across and you can see what he is trying to achieve, and the players seem bought in.

    When they came on, Tanner and Colwill were like chalk and cheese.
    Tanner full of energy, looks to have improved his link up play, though he did run up a blind alley late on, chasing and harrying, head up, full of confidence.
    Colwill, head down, shoulders slumped, looking like he's running through treacle. He looks a broken young man. He tracked back a few times, but without any conviction, like he was reluctantly doing it because he'd been told to. Tanner looked like he was enjoying pressing the opposition, though sometimes he gives away free kicks due to over enthusiasm.
    Erol needs to work out how to get inside Rubin's head. Berating him obviously isn't working. I'm sure there's a player in there some where. Bulut and his team need to earn their corn, find it and bring it out. Before his injury, Etete was showing some form, so the coaches obviously have it in them.

    As for January, cover in a couple positions would be it for me. I wouldn't upset the apple cart brining in a couple 'big names'. And if someone does come in, it needs to be as part of the team, not a billy big b0!!0cks.

    We'll surely get more injuries, but the medical team need to work their magic. LB is obviously a risk position, but O'dowda can fill in and add competition on the left. A key player in the last 2 years who has been missing for some time. Robinson in Tuesday's game has shown what he can do as a 10, but we need Ramsey back. Robinson will be great when Ramsey needs to ease his work load and from the bench. We also need Etete back in the same form he had before his injury, even only if off the bench for Meite. Add those 3 back in the mix and there are options and cover. It'll allow us to make changes in the last 15 / 20 mins without dropping standards, either to close out a game, change a loss ibto a draw or a draw into a win.

    Credit to the team, and the fans, on that performance on the 2nd of 2 long away trips in 4 days.

    Onward and upward Bluebirds.
    I still think 6-10th would be an achievement this year, but............
    Consistency will be the key.
     
    #36
  17. ninian opinion

    ninian opinion Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 31, 2011
    Messages:
    12,248
    Likes Received:
    10,906
    It’s going to be interesting to see if Bulut sticks with the same starting X1 at home (injuries excepted); IMO he should.

    Ps I’m still sitting on the fence with Colwill; to be reviewed if he gets into the starting X1 (and played in the middle not out wide) to see how he fares rather than coming on late in a game.
     
    #37
  18. ccfcremotesupport

    ccfcremotesupport Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 29, 2011
    Messages:
    14,452
    Likes Received:
    11,739
    Its the challenge of the championship.
    Some will have come back from international duty and straight into 3 games in 8 days.
    Workload has to be managed.
    Bowler is probably fresher as he's just come back from injury, but that can be a challenge in its own right. Grant has played a lot in the last month.
    Meite should be fine as should Robinson given they've been on the bench recently. Siopis gets through some work though.
    Always fascinates me that back 4 (plus keeper, 5) seem to play more minutes than most. I can understand the 2 CBs, but the fullbacks get through some work.

    Start the same side, but subs may need to come sooner rather than later.
     
    #38
    BluefromBridgend likes this.
  19. jck200

    jck200 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 24, 2011
    Messages:
    1,892
    Likes Received:
    71
    You don`t seem to understand English, I have no interest in your posts so why waste your time. Now if you continue to post replies that will confirm what I already know about you. trust me that is very mild to what I actually think of you. Be critical of my posts if you like I care not.
     
    #39
  20. BluefromBridgend

    BluefromBridgend Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    May 31, 2011
    Messages:
    20,210
    Likes Received:
    11,345
    I have a very good understanding of the English language and a passable knowledge of football. You may be okay on the first point but absolutely clueless on the second.

    You are, however, very contradictory in the phrases used in your above post.

    If you don't care then why bother replying?

    By the way, how is the thread you set up a few weeks ago going? Lots of interest? :emoticon-0140-rofl::emoticon-0140-rofl::emoticon-0140-rofl:

    Probably best if you stick to that one. You can post crap to yourself all day long on there.
     
    #40
    clingo likes this.

Share This Page