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  1. PINKIE

    PINKIE Wurzel Gummidge

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    The only reason the west back Israel is because they follow the US, who in turn want to keep Israel onside because of Iran.

    Meanwhile children in Gaza get blown to pieces because of it all <cry>
     
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    aberdude Well-Known Member

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    I’m more of the thought where better to keep divide than being in the heart of thousands of years of death and destruction…the cults money backing all sides for its i own needs
     
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    If the USA hadn't given Israel it's unequivocal and unconditional support for the last 50 years, then that country may just have motivated to reach some sort of compromise with the Palestinian people. But a policy of illegal occupation and brutal repression has been rewarded by unwavering US support. So here we are.
     
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    The Balfour is where you wanna start…Rothschild toy
     
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    Archers Road Urban Spaceman

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    Not interested in trying to trace the current conflict back to the lizards tbh, or the Knights Templar. America has the key to resolving this current situation, but they're happy to allow Israel a fee hand in return for being their staunchest ally in the region.
     
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    not interested myself in government because as you know someone pulls their strings no matter if left or right the same rules apply

    you can play with the puppets and continue this situation but I’m more keen to shine a light on the puppet masters

    but space lizards <laugh>
     
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  8. PINKIE

    PINKIE Wurzel Gummidge

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    Said this from the start of Israel 'defending itself', that this is ethnic cleansing....




    "In a white paper released over a week after the Hamas-led surprise attack on Israeli military bases and kibbutzes, The Institute for National Security and Zionist Strategy outlined “a plan for resettlement and final rehabilitation in Egypt of the entire population of Gaza,” based on the “unique and rare opportunity to evacuate the entire Gaza Strip” that Israel’s latest assault on the besieged costal enclave provided.

    Published in Hebrew on the organization’s website, the paper was authored by Amir Weitman, “an investment manager and visiting researcher” at the Institute who also leads the libertarian caucus of Israel’s ruling Likud Party. The document began by noting that there are 10 million vacant housing units in neighboring Egypt that could be “immediately” filled with Palestinians. Weitman then assured readers that the “sustainable plan…aligns well with the economic and geopolitical interests of the State of Israel, Egypt, the USA and Saudi Arabia.”
     
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    zionists are a major problem they bullied the press for a hundred years now since the sabbatean frankists created them

    The evil that men do hey…… but David Ickes a **** and rightly banned from Europe for having the cheek to take up an invite from a Jewish man to speak at his PEACE rally <laugh><laugh>

    do you see what I see…..I know you do because you’ve got one good eye and are also trying to lead the blind on here in the right direction :emoticon-0150-hands
     
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  10. Citizen Kane.

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    "It's long before time the UN speaks publicly about that".

    Since 2015, the UN has passed 140 resolutions condemning Israel, compared to 68 passed condemning all other countries combined. Israel's occupation is pretty much all they talk about over there.

    "What happened on October 7th is inexcusable and can't be justified"

    Thank you for saying this explicitly. But do you see how your first two paragraphs undermine and contradict this statement?

    "The root cause behind the conflict"

    Very thin ice here and you are skating with Mr Guterres. No one in their right mind is saying that the occupation is anything but unhelpful. I'd dismantle every settlement tomorrow if I had the chance to. But there is so much reductive simplicity in saying the words "it didn't happen in a vacuum" and then immediately narrowing the conflict into a single issue. Of course it didn't happen in a vacuum. But has Mr Guterres considered the following:

    - Iranian influence and iron willed desire to unsettle the entire region. Iran's ambitions have literally nothing to do with the occupation.
    - The fact that Hamas' ideology is rooted in fundamentalist Islam, not just in anti Zionism. This cocktail leads to...
    - The fact that Hamas' doesn't recognise the 1967 borders either and wants Israel to cease to exist in its entirety. Ending the occupation won't end fundamentalist Islam and won't inspire Hamas to lay down their weapons either.
    - The fact that the occupation was directly caused by the Arab League refusing to recognise Israel as a sovereign state in the first place and Israel subsequently pursuing a course of wanting peace with its neighbours before it pushes for a Palestinian state. Israel wants peace with its neighbours first, Palestinians second. Whether or not future invasions of Israel by other states are likely is irrelevant, this is the psyche of the Israeli public and to date it has (iirc) only been challenged in recent times by John Kerry in 2016 and Kier Starmer last week.

    ALL of these, in addition to the issue to settlements, play immensely significant roles in the conflict, which is why there has been so much anger from outside of Israel aimed at Guterres. He insults the memory of innocent victims on both sides of the divide by reducing this to single-issue politics.

    If he had a real pair of balls, he'd have called out Iran as well - just as openly. But he doesn't have the guts to do that.
     
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    zionist poodle
     
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    That's some rabbit hole you've gone down there Pinkie. Why don't you just post the links instead of copying and pasting lol

    An American fringe website.
     
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  13. Citizen Kane.

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    Totally agree with this.

    And sadly it is happening on the Israeli side too. The rise in extreme nationalism across the country but especially in the settlements is alarming. With each cycle of violence, a new swathe of youngsters are radicalised on both sides and it is heartbreaking watching these kids commit to a life of violence and suffering.

    It also helps keep people like Netanyahu in power. Fear mongering has been his main tool for over a decade now. For years, he was seen as the leader who was uncompromising on security and defence.

    Hopefully, if nothing else, the events of the past few weeks have shattered that illusion permanently and the public votes him out once at for all.
     
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  14. PINKIE

    PINKIE Wurzel Gummidge

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    Aber posted the link

    But the white paper is real.
     
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    Relentless European anti-Semitism created Zionism.
     
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    I could imagine ever wondered why…..and no it’s not because you iz black
     
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    PINKIE Wurzel Gummidge

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    With respect, that's like saying relentless Israeli persecution of Palestinians created Hamas.
     
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  18. Citizen Kane.

    Citizen Kane. Well-Known Member

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    We're all poodles mate. All of us are on a leash of some sort.

    Yours happens to be held by David Icke and a 40-something year old college drop out living in his parents basement in Louisiana with a semi automatic rifle, a confederacy flag and an online blog.
     
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    I thought previously you had been down some rabbit holes, now I no longer think I know. The far left is as dangerous as the far right at least I know now where you get your information, The GZ <laugh>
     
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    It certainly contributed to it. Said so in my reply to Fosse above. That and a bunch of other factors. Gutterres only sees one though as he's a genius.
     
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