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Match Day Thread Leicester City v Sunderland AFC – Tuesday 24th October 2023 - KO 20:00

Discussion in 'Sunderland' started by RTB, Oct 22, 2023.

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Your prediction

Poll closed Oct 24, 2023.
  1. Home win

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  2. Away win (safc)

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  3. Draw

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  1. Robref62

    Robref62 Well-Known Member

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    Deserved something out of that game. Improved performance tonight.
     
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  2. TopCat.

    TopCat. Well-Known Member

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    Needs fixing and soon. Teams know we are soft and when we let in the goals we did tonight and on Sat they're only going to double down on set pieces
     
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  3. Prehab26

    Prehab26 Well-Known Member

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    We have 09 and not Barrth oh well
     
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  4. SAFCDRUM

    SAFCDRUM Well-Known Member

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    This is what worries me. He was doing it against Ipswich first game of the season and still doing it now. 3 defeats in a row, 6 in total. Playing virtually the same 11 give or take, with 3 games in a week again, despite having a large squad gives me concerns there is no plan B.
     
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  5. Nacho

    Nacho Well-Known Member

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    Yeah I think we can put to bed the Keith Stroud hates Sunderland theory, he was totally even handed. Need to work on our shooting as you say, Mowbray said about keeping them down and you'll get deflections etc, sky them and you get nothing.

    I love Neil as a player but I don't love his shooting. The good news is I think he's capable of it but he gets overexcited, the older he gets the more accurate he'll be.
     
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  6. Pure River Slut

    Pure River Slut Well-Known Member

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    Neil played well tonight mind but it’s ****e we don’t have anyone to help them two out.
     
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  7. TopCat.

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    We also have Seelt. Maybe someone should remind Uncle Tony
     
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  8. WorkyTicketFTM

    WorkyTicketFTM Well-Known Member

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    You aren’t overreacting he’s not a good CB. People are distracted by the fact he’s a nice lad and he’s good on the ball - which he should be because he’s a midfielder (or was for 90% of his career until last season). He was trying to wrestle vestergaard every set piece because he’s not big enough to mark him properly, done the same against Cardiff and we conceded. Call me old fashioned but your CB’s need to be big lads first and foremost then good on the ball, especially when the rest of your team are as frail in the air as ours. Having a CB who’s 5’10 at a stretch, which isn’t even the size of most wingers, trying to mark 6’4 CB’s on set pieces is just crackers.

    Liverpool have VVD 6’4, Konate 6’4 and Matip 6’5
    City have Dias 6’3, Stones 6’3, Akanji 6’2, Gvardiol 6’1.
    Arsenal have Saliba 6’4 and Gabriel 6’3
    Spurs have Van den Ven 6’4, dier 6’3, Romero 6’1.

    It’s not rocket science.
     
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  9. Hettonista

    Hettonista Well-Known Member

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    Aye add some goals and he's some player!
     
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  10. Chunksafc

    Chunksafc Well-Known Member

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    Have you seen Seelt play? He hardly stands.out at u21 level
     
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  11. WorkyTicketFTM

    WorkyTicketFTM Well-Known Member

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    O’nien got tortured off South Shields if we’re counting nothing games…
     
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  12. TopCat.

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    Never considered reserves games to be a barometer for 1st team abilities, They lack intensity. Thought he looked OK v Boro
     
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  13. Chunksafc

    Chunksafc Well-Known Member

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    You would like to think he would stand out though, like Adil did the game he played.

    But hey its 09's fault and he's not a centre half.
     
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  14. Nacho

    Nacho Well-Known Member

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    Typical this like. Lose a tough game and lay into O'Nien.
     
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  15. WorkyTicketFTM

    WorkyTicketFTM Well-Known Member

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    But he’s a young CB playing against other lads his age in games that are basically just for fitness what are you expecting him to do to stand out enough to show he should be in the first team? I’d argue a first team player making mistake after mistake is what should give the manager the ammunition to make the change, it’s not like we’re winning week in week out and not conceding.

    Playing alongside better quality players will bring the lad on leaps and bounds. O’nien wasn’t good enough in the midfield so he dropped to RB then to CB at the age of 26/27.. I don’t see how Seelt can really be worse if we give him a run of games he’s a natural CB who’s built like a CB.
     
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  16. RTB

    RTB Well-Known Member

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  17. Chunksafc

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    Last time I checked it was a team game and Ballard, Hume, huggins and cirkin make as many mistakes.

    Yet they don't get endless posts about them being dropped.

    I've seen Danny Batth's name mentioned tonight, a proper centre half and my player of last season, but I believe we conceded goals last year with him in the team and where just as ****e at defending corners.

    I'm clearly wrong so let's throw a 21 year old Dutch lad into the championship who hadn't stood out in practice games as he's a natural centre half
     
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  18. Pure River Slut

    Pure River Slut Well-Known Member

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    What was 09’s mistake tonight ?
     
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  19. Nacho

    Nacho Well-Known Member

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  20. WorkyTicketFTM

    WorkyTicketFTM Well-Known Member

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    You’re right other players do make mistakes, I’ve never once argued they don’t. But O’nien is barely taller than my missus and he’s trying to mark 6’4 blokes on set pieces and struggling. So do we sit back all season and continue to concede from set pieces because we’re scared to play a lad because he’s 21?

    At the age of 21 O’nien was playing in L2 as a 10. He’s a makeshift centre back and you’re making out that we’re replacing the best player on the pitch with an unproven child. I don’t see anyone complaining about Rigg or Bellingham and they’re both younger than Seelt, who by the way came through PSV’s academy.. he’s not some kid we’ve picked up playing 5 a side who looked alright.

    How are you ever going to improve the team if we don’t address the issues we have? We’ve lost 4 of the last 6 and 1 of our wins came against bottom of the league but let’s continue to play the same team..? I don’t get it?
     
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