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Grand Prix thread LENOVO UNITED STATES GRAND PRIX 2023

Discussion in 'Formula 1' started by ched999uk, Oct 19, 2023.

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Who will win Sundays Race?

Poll closed Oct 20, 2023.
  1. Max Verstappen

    42.9%
  2. Charles Leclerc

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  3. Lewis Hamilton

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  4. Lando Norris

    28.6%
  5. Oscar Piastri

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  6. Carlos Sainz

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  7. Fernando Alonso

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  8. George Russell

    14.3%
  9. Daniel Ricciardo

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  10. Any Other

    14.3%
  1. Julius Caesar

    Julius Caesar Well-Known Member
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    I doubt he's too upset. The fans always cheer the guy who finished second
     
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  2. SgtBhaji

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    It's absolutely pointless booing Max. He at the top of his game and driving a belter of a car. He's doing exactly what he's meant to be doing by winning races and any level of booing isn't going to change that. It's down to everyone else to up their game.

    Don't really like all this booing. Not when you have people potentially putting their life on the line for the sport.

    Nobody has to like how dominant RBR or any other team is, but you can at least respect it.
     
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  3. Number 1 Jasper

    Number 1 Jasper Well-Known Member

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    Must admit I’m not to bothered about booing .

    It’s like the pantomime villain .

    it’s been going on for years , and as has been mentioned , it will only serve to make him more determined .

    Also Checo had a LOT of support at this race , and I suspect a lot of the booing was from them .

    Also I think I’m right in thinking he refuses to have anything to do with Drive To Survive ( I respect him for that )

    So a fair amount of Americans will have booed him for that .

    As MITO says .
    Just wait for Mexico .
     
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  4. moreinjuredthanowen

    moreinjuredthanowen Mr Brightside

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    like every good heel the best thing he can do is put over his baby face opponent by allowing him slipstream and giving him choice of everything before then slamming him off track in the first corner on race day and shouting WHAT at the crowd
     
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    I didn’t watch any of the post race stuff, but as others have said it’s easy to understand why the Mexicans in the crowd aren’t Max’s biggest fans. Hamilton has also been pretty popular there too over the years, which will only reinforce the anti Verstappen feeling amongst the locals. Going to a European Grand Prix outside of Italy or the UK is like you’ve been Tango’ed - it all balances out in the end.
     
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  6. SgtBhaji

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    Tangoed. Lol
     
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    Number 1 Jasper Well-Known Member

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    I haven’t heard of Tangoed. In bloody ages
     
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  8. push

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    It takes two to tango
     
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  9. push

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    Whats next?
    I think Mercedes will come up with a seriously quick car that is going to give Red Bull a real chalenge for wins.Infact I predict a repeat of the 2021 season with the Verstappen v Hamilton battles on again.with Lewis to take his eigth title.A possible couple of wins for George,but Lewis to be really slugging it out with Max.
    Merc engineers are too good to not come up with a championship winning car 3 years in a row.

    Ferrari to continue stumbling along getting fans hopes up with pole positions and then fading away during the race and gradually dropping to mid-field ending the season vertually nowhere.

    Meclaren to continue to improve and get the attention of Red Bull and Mercedes some weekends and Lando to get that first victory.
     
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  10. moreinjuredthanowen

    moreinjuredthanowen Mr Brightside

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    the merc.engieers for 7 years barely had to put a body on their car.

    2 years of abject aero tells me that they still have a lot to prove.

    mclaren to be the main challenge
     
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  11. Mark Blow

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    Sorry if this come as across as a stupid question, but do the skid blocks underneath that Lewis and Charles got dq’d for, do they have to last the whole race weekend ie, the skid block is the same one from practice 1 all the way to the end of race day?
    We’ve had 1 practice session then qualifying, sprint qualifying and sprint race and then the race. That’s a lot more full speed racing than a usual F1 weekend and skid block wear on a very bumpy track, should there have been some allowance by the race stewards over this of as we suspect , rather a lot more cars that weren’t checked probably failed this check as well?
     
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    The other question I would ask is why we have skid blocks at all? I read Benson’s bbc article it appears they are there to stop the cars running too low and therefore being faster. Yes, too low and it can cause the porpoising but that’s down to aero design. Why are the FIA artificially slowing cars down by adding these skid blocks. We want faster racing, and if teams aero design is not good enough to do that, then that’s their fault, not the FiA’s
     
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  13. ched999uk

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    Great question. I am also a little bit confused at what is being reported about the disqualifications. i.e. I thought the plank was the reference and it was wear to the plank that was measured but they seem to be taking about the skid blocks. I thought the skid blocks where the teams way of adding a bit of protection to the plank?
    Maybe it was just that the skid blocks wore so much that the plank was then worn below it's limit.
    I'm not sure that the sprint formal made much difference to wear as they didn't run full fuel until the actual race, normally they would do some high fuel running in a practice session - maybe that was the problem. ie they didn't have any high fuel test data that would have showed the wear on the skid blocks.

    Have to say it's a pity for the disqualifications but rules are rules. I do wonder how many other cars would have failed the test if hey actually looked at more?
    I'm hoping that the Mercs speed wasn't just down to running lower than normal.
     
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    I guess they are worried that if they are allowed to run too low they might have some big crashes like the 80's when they last had ground effects? They used to use skirts to maintain the air under the car and if that was disturbed they could literally take off - can't remember who it was - maybe yellow Camel car?
     
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    You maybe thinking of the Senna crash when he died at Imola in 1994.The safety car had just come in and as the leaders rounded the Tamberello Senna`s Williams left the track to the right and straight into the wall.I seem to remember the verdict was to do with the fact that tyres were not up to temperature after the slow running behind the safety car and the disturbed air under the Williams when hitting a slight bump in the track.
     
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  16. Mark Blow

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    Nothing to do with the repair to his steering wheel then?

    Also the aerodynamics of these cars have vastly changed since Senna’s crash.
     
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    If the skid blocks/plank are there to ensure the car isn't running too low then surely it doesn't matter how many events you run the plank for: it shouldn't wear past the point where the minimum ground clearance is.

    As for the bumps, I do think they were a factor, with even Max complaining about them even though they didn't cause the same plank issue with the RBR car. He was arguing the track needs to be resurfaced.
     
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  18. push

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    Yes,you`re correct,,I`ve Googled it and it states the Williams steering mechanism was faulty and broke and rendered the car un-steerable just seconds before impact.
     
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  19. SgtBhaji

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    Since there is a maximum amount of wear allowed over any given weekend, I would assume that there is at least some wear every event, either from bumps or kerbs, so I would assume they start with a fresh plank at each event.

    Seems teams that fell foul of it this past weekend was due to a combination of miscalculation, bumps and wind. That combined with a sprint race on the bumpy track.

    It's something that I can't remember being an issue for some time. Even when cars were porpoising.
     
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  20. moreinjuredthanowen

    moreinjuredthanowen Mr Brightside

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    what is Parc firme?

    After quali.

    so they ran a 19 laps sprint plus 2 qaulis plus a race with the skid blocks??

    others got it right. they did not.
     
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