Yeah which ever way you want to turn it, I certainly don't deny it equally happens. I was suspicious of some videos last night that were SUPPORTING Israel, they had the Al Jazeera logos all over them, But I went to their main internet site which told a completely opposite story, which told me straight away the twitter source was fake, either that or their website had been hacked.
That doesn't make sense. Corbyn blamed the Israelis without a shred of proof and it turns out hes wrong. Nice try, though.
UN called for a ceasefire to allow humanitarian aid into Gaza and release of hostages US vetoed it UK abstained US claim that 'they are on the ground' working through the diplomacy so they can sort it out. US playing the world's policeman again and likely to **** it up More about it here https://www.reuters.com/world/us-vetoes-un-security-council-action-israel-gaza-2023-10-18/
That could have been a different hospital or the strike that hit days earlier which was targeted and didn't do the damage this one done? Or he's just slipped up big time. Still waiting for the other side to post their evidence after the Israelis have detailed there's. Don't you think that's strange?
I absolutely agree humanitarian corriders should be opened. However, I also do see Israel's and the US concerns, IF and that's a big IF there is any substance to Hamas firing rockets from behind a hospital - I'm sure I don't need to explain it. I do wonder if this is why Egypt will not open the border, for fear of letting the Hamas terrorists flood in. I honestly don't know, my thought process could be wrong, but it's what instantly jumps out at me. This is not a normal war, where two sides are clearly defined, anyone can put on civi clothes at any point and cause whatever mayhem they choose. Let's for example say Hamas did cause the hospital explosion, imagine then, their men running around and saying, look what the Israeli's did, why holding a dead child, it's all so manipulative it's damn right scary and often meant to be for maximum impact. Edit: not Hamas, correction to Islamic Jihad
I think it was the same hospital and same incident, apparently that spokesperson later retracted it saying he'd made a mistake I have to say mate, at the moment I'm mistrustful of any 'evidence' coming from either IDF or Hamas, they've both got a vested interest and I doubt either are giving the full facts. I think it needs independent investigation, but that's unlikely to come. If it turns out that it was a stray rocket from PIJ, then that's an awful tragedy upon their own people. It also wouldn't negate the fact that Israel have targeted hospitals, schools and civilians and killed doctors along with innocent civilians They are all murderous ****ers.
don't think even the Israelis have blamed Hamas but are pinning the blame on Islamic Jihad but agree on your general point
Yeah you are right to point out about my inaccuracy. I think I've read some of the points CK and others have made, and come to the conclusion, that their are some people in this world that do not want a solution for whatever reason, and would rather see hell fire than see people sit around a table agreeing stuff. I'm pointing no fingers btw, because I really don't understand the politics of it all, it's just the sense of feeling I have about what's going on.
The US have unequivocally backed Israel, and Israel's stated aims of wiping out Hamas, including giving them $10bn of weapons to do so. So they aren't on the side of a ceasefire. My understanding of that would be that they have been given detailed operational info on Israel's military strategy, in which a ceasefire does not feature. Part of that deal was to open the border at Rafah to allow humanitarian aid into Gaza, so that's the carrot. But what that area needs right now is both humanitarian aid and a ceasefire. I think Egypt (and Jordan's) concerns about allowing Palestinian refugees into their countries is not fear of terrorists, it's because they see Israel wanting to forcibly remove them from the territories and never allowing them back. Which would be entirely congruent with the last 70 years of a dwindling Palestine and the rights of their people
Unfortunately mate, that is at the nub of it. This current Israeli govt, with Netanyahu and his right wing religious zealots backing him want to expunge the Palestinians out of the county (And I make marked note to this 'current govt' not Israel in its entirety) And Hamas stated aim is to remove the state of Israel from the map These people want to annilhilate each other
... and there it is ... fair enough .. I've always been interested, going right back to the tribes of Israel, the crusades, the Ottoman Empire, the post WWII establishment of modern day Israel and on to the present day ... Whilst I don't give a flying for your fantasies about me, here is my actual stance, for the avoidance of doubt .. I am not anti-Israel and certainly not anti Jewish - I am strongly anti-Israeli Govmt policy in the occupied territories and fervently believe that there will never be a lasting peace until the illegal occupation is addressed and a sensible establishment of an independent Palestinian homeland is achieved. This 100% needs to co-exist with Israel. I utterly and without reservation condemn the actions of Hamas on 7th October as I have done and will continue to do so in regard to the senseless killing of civilians anywhere and everywhere in the world - no matter who is doing it. I don't believe there can be such a lasting peace until the events of the past are addressed and rectified.
They probably will **** it up - let’s face it, their track record is appalling - but the Yanks are about the only foreign government Israel will listen to.
You didn't condemn the actions of Hamas, 'without excuses' and you are anti Israel, no amount of words will convince me otherwise. No amount of belittling me otherwise will make me change my mind either.
There will never be peace now, it's pie in the sky. The only question now is what do they do will all the Palestinians in Gaza. Send them to Egypt or let them live under an occupation. Do they just shoot protestors in the West Bank or force them inside with the use of gas. That's the debate for them internally now, the Palestinians on their end, now believe that all Jews should be gassed. Today I myself had to reprimanded an employee who openly said "why didn't Hitler just finish the job" while at work. It's insane
both sides have groups who would happily wipe out the other side as Shakespear said a plague on both their houses or as a scouser once said the lot of them are utter thundercunts and ****stains
What I actually said was that to comprehend why they would do something like that you have to look at what motivated it - ... that is not excusing their actions at all... that's just your warped mind and agenda. ... and I don't give a flying about changing your mind - as you've said, you've no understanding of the history and therefore have a very blinkered view - I've no desire to debate important world events with someone like that. So we're both happy. Move on.
In my warped mind and agenda lol You made excuses for it, so I'm glad you don't give a flying about changing my mind. Correct I'm happy to move on, now you've accepted you are quite clearly anti Israel, and that it don't bother you. I'm blinkered as you say, which is fair enough, and you are racist.
