Well the concerts make sense, been to sjp for a gig and the sound was ****ing horrendous. Assuming it was due to the shape of the ground.
What you are not taking into consideration is that the acoustics at the **** tip had to be adjusted to take account of the Morlock's hearing range, it may well sound ok to them but its hideous to the rest of the human race
No sense whatever in raising the capacity IMO. 48k+ is bang on for us. Not that things couldn't be done there mind, but whether or not they make financial sense is another. They "could" say, extend the concourse area on the east and south stands by moving the perimeter wall back . Maybe gain six metres or so. Cant see it being worth it, but it's a possibity. Ditto a retractable roof, which the current roof line would allow. New tech has made these lighter and more feasible, but again, a lot of money hoyed out for uncertain reward. Can't see either mesell, but there is always an improvement to be made, even cosmetic stuff. I'm old fashioned enough to just go , watch, and leave, and as it is its fine by me, but I can see things that could be done. All about priorities though, and I doubt it's bear the top.
Probably. Acoustics are weird things. No idea why but the SOL is very good for a " closed" arena. Must be some sort of fluke! I've been to a few over the years and it's the only one that doesn't have ****loads of echo and distortion. Wembley particularly is bloody awful.
i kind of understand why the thinking about it under the Keane championship season are average attendance was 30000 it's now 41000 that's 11000 difference and being in the same league are last couple of seasons in the prem it was 45-46000 average if you add that same difference of the 11000 which of course might not happen but if it does your looking at an average of 57000
Think about expanding the stadium if we start filling it, regularly, after 10 consecutive seasons of Premier League football, without a hint of implosion.
Would also be terrible with 20 000 outside unable to get in, I agree that we need to think long and hard but the fact that the current owners are looking at this hints of something bigger behind the scenes. Do I believe we are capable of filling 60k yes with a bit of success. I was one of many who could not get a ticket for our cup final in London against Man City but still travelled to soak up the atmosphere and every pub I went in was choka with Sunderland fans. It is estimated that between 15-20 thousand fans travelled with no ticket..... To London please let that sink in. FFS we filled Wembley for a ****ing Johnson's paint trophy final nothing game, took 10 thousand fans to Blackpool for an away game. I for one say Lets build this club and stadium, invest for the future not wait 10 years and wish we had done it. KTF HWTL
Realistically that's not going to happen. In the PL days, we averaged 41,230 and even that was heavily supplemented with thousands of free tickets given away. We are playing the best football we've seen in a generation and we are still "only" averaging 39,765 across the last 12 months or so. We are a long way away from needing extra seats for football matches - I'd rather any investment is made on the playing side of things.
there are a lot of upsides to a stadium expansion not just the increase in matchday capacity. it adds value to the club as an asset it also provides future proofing in the mean time. if not required the upper bowl can be kept closed but the financial implications of us becoming even more successful and not having a big enough capacity may be even worse. Building costs are at this present time high but are predicted to spiral higher over the next 10 years so it may be a strike while the iron is hot scenario. Maybe I am just an enthusiastic fan but have always been the better to be looking at it than looking for it kid of guy. in essence its better to have it and not need it than to need it and not have it. Finance wise money spent on training and infrastructure are not counted towards FFP so the money invested should have no impact on the team in the immediate time (their could be impacts down the line depending how the finances are funded and raised) But it really could be a risk worth taking and if KLD and his team believe it is the right thing to do going on the track record so far I am willing to go with it. Like I said it hints at a bigger picture which we may not be able to fully see just yet. There has been lots of rumour and conjecture about finances since KLD took over and some I believe were very close to the truth and some were a little bit more fancifull.
If it helps ease the overcrowding on the concourses then I'd be happy. They'd have to have a full programme of gigs in the summer, not just 3 or 4 nights though.
Just don't see the value. There is no evidence to say the cost of production would be realised in the eventual value of the asset. The current outcome would simply be more empty seats and/or a muted atmosphere if people were spread out more. The alternative (building an extension with no intention of using it) is utter madness. IF we got promoted and saw regular sell outs then I'd like to see the club investigate the cost-benefit for a South Stand extension (maybe with the proviso that away fans are returned to the lower bowl in the South stand) but even then you'd have to question the long term benefits
I would not expect them to start construction without a full cost analysis and an asset assessment analysis, there will also have to be a full structural analysis and a feasibility study, on top of that there will also need to be ground investigation works access egress and traffic management plans along with environmental and safety plans and that is before planning permission is even applied for. We will not be able to sit still and wait as if the decision is made in 2-3 or 10 years time then it could still take 2-3 years to bring to fruition. If the club are planning to develop the surrounding area then all of this works needs to be done now and planning permissions applied for, you will also have the cost of stadium upgrades to revitalise the ground as it is now which may well look like wasted money in another 2-3-or 4 years if they decide to go ahead with an expansion programme. Their is a lot to consider and I guess that the whole cost analysis is being done by cleverer people than you or I. If they go ahead great if not lets see what the future brings but like I said for me at the minute I think we are worth the gamble.
I'm pretty sure they still have outline planning permission to extend the stadium, unless it's lapsed. It was applied for at the same time as the North Stand extension. So it would only be detailed planning to apply for, which so long as it's not a massive deviation from the original outline permission should be straight forward. It's also better to get anything like that in now, before the Sheepfolds are redeveloped. That would reduce the possibilities of any objections.
I agree mate but would have expected the planning to have elapsed by now as am pretty sure you only get something like 2 years to start the works and then if you have not started you need to re-apply but I could be wrong with that
