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Dr Strangelove (how I learned to stop worrying and love Boris)

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  1. The Exile II

    The Exile II Well-Known Member

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    When you're so consumed by jealousy of other people's money the prospect of them paying more gets you so excited you post the same thing twice in a row in the same post.
     
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    Westminster SNP MP defects to......the Tories?

    I'd have thought Labour was the natural destination for the SNP. I wonder what's gone on there. It was a Labour seat pre 2015.
     
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    I don't disagree mate and I guess evacuations of any vessel moored on water will never be great and this type of accommodation should only be used in an emergency situation and not used as a residence for people hence my comment that the guys/girls who used it really only spent a restricted amount of time on the barge as an ad-hoc place to sleep and were not on it 24 hrs a day. using it as a residence of sorts is not what these thing were intended for they are a short term accommodation facility with limited capabilities.
    I do not think it is right to bu used in this way and think the Government needs to to better dealing with refugees (either take a liberal stance or a hardline stance) instead of fannying on and being very wishy washy on the subject basically grow a pair make decisions and stick to your decision. Trouble is most times is that too many people have a finger in the pie and want to voice their opinion on pretty much any subject that crosses there path and create havoc to suit their own agenda.
     
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    It's a terrible pun but this accomodation is just a drop in the ocean.

    It was never meant as a solution, just a highly visible deterrent as was the idiotic Rwanda scheme or putting up adverts telling people that illegal immigration was illegal. Just as with Sunak's ludicrous promise to stop the boats they've made themselves look chaotic and deluded ...

    ... but big shouty headlines seem to be the entire strategy when persistent, organised hard graft is the only way forward as you say.
     
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  5. Monkey69

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    If I tax 33 million people £1.00 extra then I make £33 million, If I tax 1 person an extra £1 million I make 1 extra Million, If as a country we Tax large corporations like say google and force them to pay X pound's extra and they decide to move their UK operation to India for example we still get nothing but have put thousands of employees out of work which reduces income from the tax they pay on their wages.
    Do I believe that these big companies should pay their fair share 'yes to a certain degree' do I believe they should be given tax breaks to offer employment in this country most definitely yes! It is a subject a bit more complicated than the media would have us believe but then again it would not sell papers or skew the public opinion depending on the narrative
    • Tories would say we have brought (place fake big company here (Nossan) to the North East and have given them some tax breaks and exemptions created 20000 jobs with the manufacturing of vehicles and the overall supply chain.
    • Labour would say ' Nossan makes 20 billion a year and only pays tax on 2 % of earning if you vote us into power we will make them pay what they owe'
    • Nossan piss off back to China we lose 20000 tax paying jobs and production from the North East and are worse off than when we started
    like I said a bit more complicated than tax the rich, in fact I would say that governments would love the fact we bicker about taxation of the rich when the real crime is the amount of taxation that the poor have to pay on everyday essentials. They have us convinced that we have to pay and that it is the big corporations at fault and not the foolhardy and wasteful attitude of governments who consistently spunk money away and then ask us to foot the bill that is the real issue but we are not really talking about it because they want us to concentrate on another agenda.

    another daily Rant lol
     
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    really gets my piss boiling as it is headline grabbing vote grabbing ****housery exactly like the Brexit vote. Dis-information and Mis-information from both areas of politics. For me it is pretty simple if you are willing to work and become a law abiding part of our country and society (I don't care about race creed religion sex or whatever )then welcome if you are going to come here and sponge and scrape and be a drain on our society the **** off back home we have enough of them here already. Pretty straight forward really.
     
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  7. FellTop

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    I like your daily rants, keep them coming.
     
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  8. The Exile II

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    Aye, it's like the old saying that if you owe that bank ten grand they're in charge, if you owe them ten million you're in charge. Tax is largely the same - if you demand too much then businesses will start to look for ways to dodge it, and then you get an ideologically satisfying percentage of bugger all.

    Battering self made people with tax discourages others from going out and doing the same themselves. It cripples economic activity - these people sit in the house or pay one person's worth of tax on a nothing job rather than going out and creating wealth and jobs (and therefore more tax revenue).

    Now inherited wealth - get right after those Made In Chelsea ****ers by all means.
     
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    Yvette Cooper would be the last person Victoria Atkins would want to see opposite her on Question Time.

    Atkins is vague, ill informed and shallow whereas Cooper is serious, knowledgable and concise.

    I just hope this debate is conducted with the gravity it deserves.
     
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    Just switched it off as they wanted to move onto other questions. Serious issue in the middle East that will affect us all, but the program hasnt the time to debate it in full.
     
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    No, let's leave the situation in Gaza/Israel and discuss the doctors strike that's been going on for months.
     
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    "Rishi Sunak left thousands of Afghans eligible to come to the UK stranded in Pakistan hotels in a bid to save money, the High Court has heard.

    Around 2,300 Afghans who worked alongside British armed forces have been stuck in hotels in Islamabad for months after the UK stopped chartering flights last November and insisted families must find their own place to live in Britain before relocation."


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    The British armed forces work with the US military to evacuate eligible civilians and their families out of the country on August 21, 2021 in Kabul, Afghanistan.

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    I think we got a glimpse of what is to come for Starmer from our wonderful media. Pushed on his support for Corbyn, who called Hammas friends, he refused to answer the question from Rigby. He said he would not shy away from resolving the problems he inherited with the labour party, whilst shying away from the question. I dont think the question is particularly fair or relevant, politicians arent known for being consistent. The point for me is he is the leader in waiting and all of a sudden the media are looking a bit closer at him, and if this is anything to go by he is going to struggle with them. I have said before, he is so far ahead, he can be entirely honest and people will respect him for it. Another missed chance for him today, and likely more people switching to the camp that he is no better than any other politician who wont tell it like it is.
     
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    Wembley lit up the arch in support of Ukraine.

    Fair enough.

    Innocent Russian civilians may be killed by Ukrainian attacks but Wembley has chosen sides.

    Now Wembley won't light up the arch for Israel because they don't want to take sides.

    Hmmm
     
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  15. The Exile II

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    He and Labour as a whole have had an extraordinarily easy ride from the media since Corbyn went. That'll change when they're in power and the shoe is on the other foot. It's not like Blair coming in on the crest of a wave and credibility, it's winning by default in the blind hope you're less **** then the Tories.
     
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    You are consistent, I'll say that. <cheers>
     
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    If grasping at straws was an Olympic event you'd be a cert for Gold.

    The intricacies of relationships with Starmer, Jeremy Corbyn, Israel, etc, may be fascinating and highly important for some people ...

    ... but quite likely irrelevant to people more concerned with having enough money to pay their bills, feed their children and get a doctor's appointment.

    This government are so inept they would probably fail to beat Hamas in an election if they were the only alternative <laugh>
     
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    Maybe reflecting divided opinion who knows, there is rightly or wrongly some sympathy for both sides in this particular conflict, unlike the case of Ukraine .
     
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    Thanks Smug lad.
     
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  20. The Exile II

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    If they don't have a policy position on something relatively easy, then how on earth do people expect them to know how to deal with the difficult subjects?

    Blind faith gets exactly what it deserves - nothing.
     
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