He didn't say it was comparable, it was making reference to how they would communicate over the radio; ie you can't see each other, only hear each other. There are ways of making that process easier and using first names isn't it (unless they adapt a policy of all having to have different sounding names)
It's a job that's only done via remote communication that has serious consequences (relatively speaking) if it's not done professionally and correctly.
That's the point. You do do it using a name but not in such an informal manner. It makes the whole setup appear amateurish and you get mistakes like happened because two people were called Oli. As it happens that mistake didn't make the situation any worse but the potential is there that it could. The lack of using a pre-determined name system to communicate is a large part of why it broke down. Self identify " VAR confirms x" self identify "AVAR confirms x". Communicate - "Referee are you happy with that?". Something like that I'm really not sure why you're defending the way in which they communicate.
I think the point here has to be that every week some other corrupt clown is walking into that booth there's up to what?? 5? games on on a day amd you cannot expect Assistants to run 3 or 4 at that pace for 2 hours then jump to game 2 and game 3. this means on any given day there's a ref and var ref set by pgmol for whatever nefarious purpose they have in mind. they could literally be anyone to piss off a manager etc. if you've just shouting random first names or whatever then it's chaos. everyone should know their roles. the fact the Assistant video need only asked "are you happy with this" and didn't shout stop just shows how much arse covering there is. var 1 = var ref var 2 = Assistant ref video = lad with the video. ref = the corrupt **** with whistle this is a billion pound business. its not rocket science to communicate professionally folks.
Because I don’t see an issue with it. You even said yourself the way they communicated didn’t have any impact on the decision so what difference does it make? Im not entirely sure why you’re attacking the way they communicate? They do it every single game for the last how ever many years and not once have we seen an issue come about because the var used the referees name instead of calling him lieutenant referee.
I see no issue with them using first names. The only confusion I've seen over their names was on here. I wouldn't expect them to use formal titles to talk to each other, and if there was some name duplication I imagine they could sort it out. I think it's the least of their problems, tbh.
hang on a mo. how many tines have you heard the refs mike feed to be able to state you've never seen an issue? we just don't know how much they **** up cos they hide it
I can't really imagine a scenario where it becomes a problem. Even if they're all called Bob. Bob: "That was onside, Bob - goal stands." Bob, Bob, Bob, Bob & Bob: "Ok Bob, thanks". The only problem arises when they have to decide between pizza or Indian.
yeahhhhhh but no. did Bob have a right to say it was a goal to Bob and then did Bob have a right to thank Bob? only the var ref **** has a right to tell the corrupt **** with thr whistle the result.
there's always a builder rob Bob Bobby robbo posh **** robert bert Bobbo and of course bobbi who transitioned recently.
Think the burden of proof is on you to prove they have tbh. As Saint says, I’m struggling to think of a scenario where it would be an issue? any examples?
Or it's just a discussion based on an observation of how confusing and unprofessional the audio was so no need for proof/evidence etc since it's not an inquest... You're the one that claimed it's never happened before. Neither JB or myself claimed it had. So if it were to go down 'evidence routes' the onus would most certainly be on you with it being your claim. However, maybe we just move on since the discussion pretty much ended yesterday?
I just don't know how else they would address one another. I mean, calling people Daz and Gaz and Baz or whatever has always seemed a bit childish to me, but then I'm a boring old git as we know.
its it just me but I'd really like them to go full on and have maverick, goose and iceman call signs. I shudder to think of their team building volleyball games.
I didn't say that at all. I said calling "Oli" and Oliver thought that was him, didn't make the situation any worse. The damage was already done because of poor communication between the VAR and the onfield officials. The panicked "Oli" when trying to get the Hub and Oliver thinks it's him, took up precious seconds but the game had just restarted by then so the delay in getting to speak to the right Oli, didn't help but also didn't make what was happening on the pitch any worse. I've listened to a few of the released audios and none have been as amateurish as the one in question. In the audio for the Van Dijk red card while the VAR calls the ref "Brooksy" he also identifies himself first "Stewart here, I'm checking ..." as part of the communication. So the ref knows who he is listening to. I'm not expecting "Mr D A England here sir" but I am expecting "VAR here" and "can VAR and AVAR check x please" not "okay Daz mate, cheers" - with absolutely no reference to what has been checked. Drop Daz and Oli for the day for the purposes of clarity of communication and be VAR and RO. If nothing else, the current informal name usage shows the world how difficult it is to be seen correcting your bezzy mate's decision and not the impartial VAR correcting the onfield decision. All mates together or at least a semblance of impartiality? It doesn't look very impartial when you're using nicknames I think you have to leave the all pals together mindset at the door when you step into the VAR room and a good start to doing that is to drop the 'Daz, mate' and be professional. As Z said, the discussion has probably run it's course. Nobody is right and nobody is wrong. We just have different standards.
For some bizarre reason, I had a fantasy about the officials being Brylcreem Boys. "Whoa, hold on there old chap - think you've dropped a bit of a clanger - looks like a jolly old red to me. Toddle over to the monitor and have a quick shufty" "Ok old bean, bang it up on the screen and I'll give it the once over. Crikey, you're right - way over the top. I'll have to give him his marching orders. Cause a bit of a brouhaha, what ? But can't be helped. Thanks awfully for the gen, pip-pip." "Sweet."
