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Discussion in 'Tottenham Hotspur' started by Wandering Yid, Feb 9, 2016.

  1. PleaseNotPoll

    PleaseNotPoll Well-Known Member
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    This may generally be true, but I think that balance is important.
    I'm not particularly married to any policies or movements, but I like **** that works.
    Virtually all of the distinctively right-wing modern policies don't work.

    The rights of the individual are important, as is their happiness and freedom.
    Everybody's quality of life can be raised by creating a successful and thriving society, though.
    We've done the absolute opposite and focused on the welfare of a tiny number of individuals.

    Our education, justice, healthcare, mental health, media and welfare systems are broken.
    What works? The syphoning off of wealth and resources to those who already have lots of both.
     
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  2. The RDBD

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    So "in the UK, left-winger = someone who voted Laboutr
    in the last three elections and expects to vote for them again next time ??

    ^three *two ??
     
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  3. humanbeingincroydon

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    You'd think he'd have learned that if he posts ****, the Community Notes body him

    But no, he doesn't
     
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  4. The RDBD

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    RFK Jr has declared that he will run as an
    independent in the 2024 USA presidential election.

    Astute commentators seem to be of the opinion
    that in a Trump + Biden battle, RFK Jr will take
    more votes from the latter than the former, but
    not in the numbers that would do for Biden.
     
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  5. PleaseNotPoll

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    For example?

    The people backing RFK have horribly managed this bullshit run, in my opinion.
    Nobody on the left has any love for him, while they've pushed him on right-wing moderates.
    They're also trying something similar with Cornel West and may have more success there.
     
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    No...you can't make that deduction. My definition was neither a necessary or a sufficient condition for being right wing but the reason I used it is because according to polling about 25% of people will still vote Conservative and I genuinely don't understand how anyone can come to this conclusion given the abject failure of their policies. So I would like such a person to explain what I am missing.
     
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    After "Bigot-gate" in 2010, the immediate polling showed
    that ~28% of Labour voters would still vote for the party
    regardless.

    So knowing that ~28% of the electorate will vote for
    any pile of sh*t as long as the right colour rosette
    is stuck on top, tells me nothing about either
    "right-wingers" or "left-wingers" (whatever they might
    actually be) .
     
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    I too care little about the terminology but I do really want to know if anyone can actually defend the Conservative programme.
     
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    Let's see how Freeze Peach is working today...
     
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  11. Left on the Shelf

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    Well, I certainly didn't have 'Stan Collymore' on my Talking Sense in GeoPolitics Bingo card!!

     
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  12. humanbeingincroydon

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    Underlining the problem in a single tweet

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  13. Spurf

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    The point is you should be able to discern political belief by the description Left and Right. But I agree it is difficult and in the UK (or at least the English part) there is no political left and right at the moment. The Labour party post Thatcher and Blair has taken to wearing the neo liberal clothes of the right. Right now Starmer offers Tory Light policies and is keen to distance himself from the Labour party of Corbyn. The SNP in Scotland is not a party of the left either and also adopts neo liberal method.

    However the Left should be looking from the perspective of the Social/ Community/Collective. Even Tories like Rory Stuart recognise this. The Right places the Individual's rights first. It is a simple difference but you're right it is extremely complicated by the current machinations of politics. Both sides claim Fascism is a product of the other side. Both sides put Hitler on the opposite side to themselves.

    In my experience many Tories behave like socialists with their family and friends and many Labour members behave like the privileged few in their private lives.
     
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    Uh huh...

     
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  18. humanbeingincroydon

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    So quick question: if Israel dropped a nuke on the Gaza Strip, how much of the blast would affect Israeli territory and, following that, how many Israelis would be affected by the nuclear fallout?

    Bloody hell, there's some utter lunatics in Likud
     
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  19. Left on the Shelf

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    COVID-sceptic, Richard 'Gammon' Madeley has gone deaf in one ear has a result of contracting COVID.....

    You can all fill in the rest! <laugh>
     
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    Bloody hell and that's Netanyahu's party. Of course that's not an option but it gives an idea of the extremes below that, they will be prepared to go to.
     
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