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Leeds Utd v Bristol City Match Thread

Discussion in 'Leeds United' started by ellandback, Oct 5, 2023.

  1. Jammy 07

    Jammy 07 Well-Known Member

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    You can though teach them to repeatedly hit the target in the areas that are most likely to result in a goal.
     
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    No you can’t, which is why we miss more often than not.
     
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    Well let's at least give Farke a few months to see if he can make a difference given he's stated coaching the strikers is his area of expertise.
     
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    I've given you an example of a modern generation great striker in Thierry Henry that has openly admitted that finishing never came naturally to him yet broke records at Arsenal. Ironically he broke Ian Wrights record and he was a real natural goalscorer.

    Georginio isn't a natural and never will be BUT it is possible to become a goalscorer. He can certainly improve on his recent efforts.
     
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    Interesting debate on finishing. Recall having some banter with jambo when Gracia came in and the subject of finishing cropped up.

    My take is somewhere between the 2 extremes.

    The idea that professional footballers don’t practice finishing… aren’t taught the right areas to shoot to in different situations is… well… laughable. It would be like a tennis player not practising his serve. A goal kicker in rugby just rocking up on the day and hoping for the best.

    The issue is doing it on the day under pressure. Sure repetition helps… trust me they do this… and promotes muscle memory but they can’t replicate match situations. Some have that calmness under pressure naturally, some learn with experience, some never learn it.

    There are some guys, as emu says who have an instinct or reading of the game to sense where they should be and get something on the ball. For others it can be improved by making the right runs at the right time. And that might vary depending on the coach/system.

    So do I think Farke can improve our strikers? Maybe he can help them stay calm by trying to take pressure off them. Maybe he can help them with their movement that will reap rewards in general and particularly with his system. Most likely he can create a team that creates chances for them and makes them look better.

    Re the Henry example. He was a winger so finishing will never have been his priority - hence when his position changed he had obvious room for improvement with the right practice.
     
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    And I disagreed with your example. Henry wasn’t taught to score goals. He may not have believed he could do it but Wenger saw something in him that he hadn’t recognised so played him in a position where he could put his natural talent to the best. Rutter is a good player and will score a few goals but as his miss and the one before showed, like Bamford, his conversion rate will be poor, i.e. he is going to miss a lot.
     
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    To an extent I agree but nope. The issue with Rutter and Bamford isn’t getting into the right position, they obviously do that which is why they keep missing sitters. If Henry was never trained in finishing but scored a sack load because Wenger knew he would by changing his position then it is because he was a “natural” goal scorer, just needed the right manager to spot that. Rutter is a very talented player but he will continue to miss sitters, aka Paddy, because it doesn’t come easily for him.
     
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    He wasn't trained to finish. He went to Arsenal and flopped for the first two months because he couldn't finish to save his life. In the background he was doing extra sessions specifically focused on finishing and placing his shots. As time passed by he found that the ball started hitting the back of the net instead of hitting the fans behind the goal. Why can't Rutter, at the age of 21, do the same with some kind of improvement.

    I'm not asking you to agree with me specifically but Thierry himself alludes to this time in his early Arsenal career as really tough and only hard work really allowed him to turn it around.

    Anyway, it's Sunday night. I've just enjoyed watching Top Gun, Maverick and now I'm on to Venom. Leeds have won back to back games for the first time since last November and we are arguing about just how good Georginio can actually be. We're not in a bad place really.
     
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