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Match Day Thread Millwall v Hull City

Discussion in 'Hull City' started by Chazz Rheinhold, Oct 5, 2023.

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  1. Howdentiger2

    Howdentiger2 Well-Known Member

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    It's a difficult one as we have a relatively inexperienced coaching staff bar maybe the GK coach Barry Richardson. Daws isn't highly experienced and the other 2 followed LR from derby, Justin has only been working at a first team level since 20/21 season and only at derby, Ben(analyst ) has 3yrs senior football experience but again only at derby. I think we would really benefit from an older experienced head to support LR..... If he'd listen to them
     
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    Under rooney it was getting to that style but under LR it was this exact style and the derby fans hated it
     
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  3. springtiger

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    A young manager who was a decent level fairly sucessful player might have to learn management skills , techniques , media and maybe negotiation . Though we have Tan .Surely he doesn’t have to learn football tactics , plans changes and methods not if he ‘s played senior football for 15 years - shouldn’t he know the ropes ? Players can’t be just automatons - ex players Rosie always wanted to be a manager .
    I expect results to improve but probably not till after the Xmas window , the only unknown factors facing him are poor recruitment and injuries . We rarely seem to be able to attract a regular reliable fit striker like say Blackburn , and others have over recent years
     
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  4. AlRawdah

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    Progress in football isn’t linear though. There are inevitable ups and downs, setbacks and leaps forward, tactical wonders and things forced on a team that work out flukily. I really do think you are expecting too much too soon, especially because the management team is to some extent learning on the job.

    There are 92 managers who can do better in their next game. Not all of them are improving over the long term though. In my view Rosenior is, all things considered.
     
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    GEvans76 Well-Known Member

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    Doubt he would LR knows best.
     
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  6. Howdentiger2

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    Yet again I completely agree with you, it's 100% a linear process. But again I still stand by certain things aren't improving, mainly scoring goals and home form. He's had ( almost ) a full season worth of games in charge of us and he's made us very hard to beat but I haven't really seen improvement at the other end in terms of goals scored and ( so far ) he's not been able to address the home form. There is progress yes, but there's also parts that aren't improving or improving marginally which after 2 windows and 41 games in charge just isn't good enough.

    Am I expecting to much, possibly.
     
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    There's plenty of room for improvement. My two main worries are that we're not converting enough of the chances we create, partly a tendency to over-complicate when we get close to goal, and our defenders' lack of confidence in passing between the lines when opportunities arise. However, the ppg this season would have been enough last season to finish 5th. Rosenior seems to get little or no credit for this, just endless screeds about his lack of experience or his arrogance or how some Derby players who weren't getting a game didn't like him. We've never had a perfect manager who gets everything right and keeps all the fans happy, certainly not Bruce or Brown, yet they got us into the Premier League. So, yes, I will carry on thinking that people are going way over the top with the criticism of the manager. There seems to be something about him that gets under people's skin, but I have no idea what it is.
     
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    The Fergie thing was a joke. I only replied to you as you said he was sacked for performance. I remembered he'd actually done quite well and when I looked it up his results they were really good which is why I also looked up Fergies. Of course its not comparable.

    Since then HT2 has said he was sacked for other reasons related to attitude. I have 100% no idea or clue on that.

    I've not said you or anyone can or can not criticise anything have I? Even if I did no ****er would care what I said <laugh>
     
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    Home form has really improved. Home results haven’t. That’s one decent example of why I remain confident about Liam. We are going to smash someone soon.
     
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    Off topic - that’s a massive goal!!!
     
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  11. Gone For A Walk

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    Neither off or on the pitch apparently .... the latter of which is just stupid and another concern.
     
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  12. Howdentiger2

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    If he carries on his PPG and we finish 5th then I will eat humble pie and happily accept I was totally wrong. Our PPG over the last 6 has been 1.17 which over a season would leave us 4/5 points worse of then last season on 53/54 ponts. That kind of form needs changing, teams are starting to see how to play against us effectively, so LR and his team news to react to it and change things up....again I'm not sure how any of that is over the top criticism
     
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    Only same size as ours. Camera angle maybe?
     
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    If the results haven't improved then the form hasn't improved.
     
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    Yep, that should do it, just scream at them.
    How about coaching them in a more attacking style, add some neat attacking routines from open play and set pieces, coach them to look for a forward early pass, etc. I see none of that in our play under Rosenior. Zilch. I simply don't believe it's the players not executing, it's the tactics and how they're being coached.
     
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    Honestly believe that the biggest fault is freedom to vacate specific zones or fear of a counter and failure . Ipswich allowed their full backs to bomb forward past the midfield leaving space behind - like a good European team does in the comps . We seem to play a pass to the player method , not pass to the space in front. The former I guess guarantees - retaining posession - I rarely see players actually moving quickly into spaces - they seem to be ‘in place’ already , but static - therefore often marked / covered
    It stops quick build ups .
     
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  17. AlRawdah

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    Hmm. Both goals yesterday came from playing the ball into space. So you might make a case for us doing it more - but to say we don’t do it is evidently wrong.
     
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    And the reason the space was there is because Millwall pushed up to press us as we slowly played out from the back.

    Only we didn't.

    Both well crafted goals which came about as a direct result of playing 'the Rosenior way'.
     
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  19. Amin Yapusi

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    I just find it hard to make a case for him to stay whilst the likes of Warnock are currently available.

    You have to take your chances, both on and off the pitch, and not to go for a manager of Warnock’s calibre and experience in favour of a rookie would be madness.

    It’s harsh, but football is tough business.
     
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    Maybe the 2 goals we scored from long balls yesterday where to show Warnock we could be a good fit for him
     
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