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Discussion in 'Celtic' started by Mind The Duck, Nov 16, 2011.

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  1. ManDingo 20"/20"

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    I'd be embarrassed to have this argument with another rangers fan, i feel sorry for you celtic fans that put up with this bigoted arsehole i really would.

    On that note by your continued idiotic logic.

    The IRA deny they are murderers
    Many people believe they just murder for freedom - thats ok though.

    Racist Policies = Political
    Racist Songs = Melodies

    The sooner you and all eejit IRA members and supporters go the way of bobby sands the better :1980_boogie_down:

    Bring on the year 2111 when hopefully all these fannys have stopped reproducing and learned to keep there Irish ****e out of Scotland <cheers>
     
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    <laugh>

    Bigoted arsehole is it now?

    what criteria do you apply to reach this conclusion? is it the same one you used to invent an imaginary law?

    .....so not political then.....just like I intimated.

    <doh>

    Unlucky chump.
     
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    Doubtless the BNP will argue they are not racist, in fact they do it all the time, but you and I know they are racist despite their denials.

    They shroud their racism with the pretence of being a political party, so who should make the judgement call on whether they are to be seen as political or racist entity? Should we waste our time arguing over it? I think we are above that, therefore common sense tells us that they are racists with a political agenda, but they are most definitely a political entity.
     
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    Fair dues.
     
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    Therefore I suggest my particular analogy is fair. I'm not saying that singing about the IRA is the same as singing about the BNP, just that it could be argued both are political causes, the difference being is that some people who may not be offended by IRA songs would be offended by "political" BNP songs and vice versa. The BNP would doubtless hate pro IRA chanting with a vengance, they would see it as totally wrong whilst failing to see what they are doing is every bit as offensive (perhaps even more) as other people's choice of songs.

    I'll bet I could name plenty of songs which would cause people offense, likewise I could name plenty which would not. Celtic FC have many great songs which could not in a million years be construed as being offensive, that's why we should stick to them in my opinion.
     
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    If, for arguments sake, the BNP had political songs, then certainly they would not be my cup of tea but they would have a degree of legitimacy.
    If the BNP sang overtly offensive songs with the sole purpose of causing offence, then there is no legitimacy at all.


    That is why the comparison is not valid, as there are no Republican songs that offend for the sake of offending. I do appreciate that where you are coming from.
     
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  7. DevAdvocate

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    Which takes us back to context. What merit or evidence of legitimacy does "ooh ahh up the Ra" have when sung inside a football stadium? (which is what this particular individual was remanded for apparently). What political message was he attempting to make?

    I don't think i'm being unfair, based on the scant facts we have, when I suggest his sole intent was to cause offence.
     
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    It does take it back to the context.
    The context of "ooh ahh up the Ra" is that it is not an isolated lyric.
    It is sung as part of the Celtic symphony. It is not a Republican song.
    It is that somebody is describing some imagined graffiti with the purpose of allying the Celtic support with support for Republicanism.

    I don't think that is an unfair assessment either.

    I say that acknowledging the paucity of facts available at this time. I am aware of further conjecture but i'm not going to indulge in it.
     
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  9. DevAdvocate

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    I have heard Celtic fans singing :

    ooh ahh up the Ra
    ooh ahh up the Ra
    I said ooh ahh up the Ra
    ooh ahh up the Ra


    In isolation, as a song on it's own.
     
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    they have made their position clear as have celtic as have the spl...
     
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    Uefa haven't heard the charges yet.
     
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    I'll have to take your word for that.

    I don't particularly see the need for it, or see any value in that, but we don' know the exact circumstance.
    My first and only thought is that it came from the song and I hadn't considered it in isolation.

    edit: and I don't necessarily know that it matters.
     
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    But they have made their "views" clear in their rules. I know you feel there is ambaguity in them but I feel they are clear cut!

    Excuse spelling and typos... I'm pissed <ok>
     
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    this is how it is most commonly heard.
     
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    And we don't even know if that is the rule that they'd be seeking to apply.
    I've said it before that this is very Kafka-esque.
    I read "The Trial" years ago and it sounded like crazy nonsense. Not so much now.
     
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    This is an excerpt from the GB statement;

    "At 7 am on Friday morning, a 17 year-old fan was arrested on suspicion of a sectarian breach of the peace, and for evading arrest at the Hibs match. He spent the weekend in police cells and yesterday appeared at the Sheriff Court. After the Procurator Fiscal appealed the judge&#8217;s decision to grant bail, the young fan was remanded in custody in Polmont Young Offenders Institute until December 23rd."

    So clearly not sectarian, forgetting everything else about it for the time being.
     
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  17. DevAdvocate

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    So now we are beginning to get a clearer picture. He was remanded because he was unlikely to turn up in court voluntarily, I don't see the problem with that.
     
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  18. DevAdvocate

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    Just read the lyrics for the Celtic Symphony? Anyone care to try and explain why this is a Celtic song and what it is about?

    It was far across the sea,
    When the devil got a hold of me,
    He wouldnt set me free,
    So he kept me soul for ransom.

    Chorus 1
    na na na na na na na na na
    na na na na na na na na.

    I'm a sailor man from Glasgow town,
    I've roamed this world round and round,
    Hes the meanest thing that I have found,
    In all mydays of wander.

    Chorus 1

    But I could see his evil eyes,
    Twas then he took me by surprise,
    Take me to your paradise,
    I want to see the Jungle.

    Here we go again,
    We're on the road again,
    We're on the road again,
    We're on our way to Paradise,
    We love the jungilty,
    That's where the lion sleeps, (yeeeaaaaahhhh)
    For in those evil eyes,
    They have no place in Paradise.

    Grafitti on the walls just as the sun was going down,
    I seen graffitti on the walls( Of the CELTS, Of the CELTS),
    Graffitti on the walls that says we're Magic, We're Magic,
    Graffiti on the walls.......Graffiti on the walls........
    And it said..............
    Ooh ah up the Ra, say ooh ah up the Ra (x6).

    We went to each jungle deep,
    For the Paradise that we did seek,
    Was noted for the weak,
    There was some with the natives.

    From the Amazon to Borneo,
    From Africa to Tokyo,
    To the darkest jungles of the world,
    But nowhere could i lose him.

    Around in circles every way,
    He turned to me and he did say,
    I think your leading me astary,
    I want your soul me boyo!


     
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    It is a song about wherever you go, you will always be thinking about Celtic.

    And there is no place for evil at Celtic Park
     
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    The Lord Advocate disagreed.
     
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