Based on people who have said similar to me, I'll go with. 1. Deliberate attempt to cull the population. 2. The evil overlords who deliberately put things into the vaccine to kill people (my favourite is the time release cancer virus capsules triggered by 18Ghz frequencies) 3. Death, suffering and Lego poops. 4. The red pilled, of course.
There certainly are many online and in real life who believe in conspiracy theories and because of the lies told by politicians and echoed through the media, they begin not to believe anything. There would be plenty dead from the likes of measles, rabies etc without vaccines, so I wouldn't muddle the issue by lumping them all together as bad. On the other hand, there is a current trend with over-medicating children and ppl in general, rather than focusing on the root issue of general health. Healthy ppl don't generate profit for certain industries. Some of the covid vaccines (whatever happened to the Astra Zeneca one that was discontinued for use in Europe and then flogged to African countries?) certainly worked for the elderly and vulnerable groups. Were they necessary for the majority of the population though and are the side effects worse? The answer to that is probably hidden with Tony Blair's weapons of mass destruction in Iraq and the pangolin meat in the fish markets in Wuhan.
I have little to no time for anybody who uses a disease as a reason to push an agenda against anybody, I think it’s callous and undermines both the victims of the disease and those it leaves behind. (Not for a second suggesting you are) A lot is made of the human immune system, but it’s only capable of so much. I lost contemporaries and at the time I was in my early 30s, people who ranged from non-smoking athletes to pub goers who worked in chemical plants. I think being offered an increased chance of surviving a disease that’s killing people by the thousands, for free, is a no brainer. I mean I wouldn’t chance a week in the rainforest without numerous vaccines. People are of course free to turn down the opportunity, as is their prerogative, but the narrative that accompanied that decision was often laced with things or reasons that simply weren’t true. The fact is, disease doesn’t discriminate, it doesn’t decide who lives or dies based on anything. So as humans/hosts, all we can do is mitigate and ensure our survival by whatever means we can. To do that, we need to use the tools at our disposal, which is exactly what we did. With something like measles, which absolutely does kill children and has been doing for hundreds of years, unless there’s a serious medical reason behind it, there’s no logic to not having your child get an MMR jab.
I think that the only agenda I'm pushing is that having a healthy level of scepticism in a population is a good thing, as our governments have repeatedly shown themselves to be incompetent at best and liars at worst. I'd also question when a large multinational corporation funds and publishes research that shows that more of its product needs to be bought. There will always be those that do exactly as they're told, and there will always be a very small number of Piers Corbyn types who make the news, rightly held up as freak figures of ridicule and are conveniently used to diminish the more moderate worries and questions of a much larger percentage of the normal population. From my understanding, recent measles outbreaks in western Europe are now usually in migrant areas where relatively large numbers aren't registered with the health services or are disregarding or not registering the child healthcare letters for many reasons that obviously are unnecessary to get in a debate about on here. Blaming this on those who questioned the covid response is just nonsense. Two separate issues.
Scepticism is healthy, provided that the conclusion you draw is the one based in reality and not subjective. It’s a bit like opinion; fine to have one, everybody does, but opinion draws upon experience, it doesn’t replace the objectivity of the subject and shouldn’t put the fact in the dark. Scepticism is fine if it comes from a place of learning, but if the reasoning is drawn from a falsehood then it needs to be addressed, otherwise it can set a dangerous precedent. I mean, it already has done, in a way, because this whole idea of “I’m just asking questions” and my personal favourite “they’re trying to cancel me” isn’t an entirely wholesome idea, it’s a psychological technique used to induce stochastic and manipulated reactions in order to sway thinking towards whatever viewpoints the speaker has.
How many contemporaries did you lose?? The deaths of people in their early thirties was minuscule you must be very very unlucky
I lost one, he wasn’t in his thirties, but he wasn’t old either and was in good health until he got COVID.
Ye, objectivity. That was the issue from start to now. Little bit difficult when the objectivity of the subject is changed continuously by the experts. What happened to those Chinese ppl screaming and collapsing from covid in the streets of Wuhan, that were on our news in February 2020, as we were told then by Chinese experts and doctors that was the result of the disease. I saw plenty of ppl with Covid for two years and no one screamed, fitted and collapsed in streets. Experts repeatedly said in 2020 that surgical masks would make no difference. 2021, they said were essential in public places. Why aren't they obligatory during flu epidemics then. Just one vaccine will stop the spread. Just two vaccines to be sure. The vaccine doesn't actually stop the spread, just diminishes the effects. The vaccine effect doesn't last longer than six months as the virus has mutated and no one is immune to the mutation, so we must be vaccinated every six months for life. This vaccine is best. Different vaccines have varying levels of created immunity. Which of these statements is objective fact? I don't know, so are we expected to believe everything that comes out of a government minister/civil servants mouth?
Vaccine's in general are a good thing, but there are many very doubtful issues with the covid vaccine as well as the way that related data was ga I think there are a whole variety of issues that get conflated, often for the convenience of someones own position. The argument about traditional vaccinations is to an extent different to that of covid. The way that the vaccine was rolled out in conjunction with measures that are debatable to say the least and possibly caused a lot more harm than good is something that has scarred peoples psyche. I think the unions, in particular the teaching ones need to have a long period of contemplation over their actions, as do those that made the decisions relating to care homes. To ignore or dismiss that is possibly worse than being against vaccines for no good reason beyond feeling it's an intrusion. The other aspect is the uncertainty in the data behind many of the measures which is often not accounted for or made clear, but certainly exists. I think a measles outbreak is liable to suffer due to the very poor way covid was approached, which is a shame as they are two distinct issues. The best hope is that lessons are learned, but sadly, I just think people will just get more entrenched and closed minded. 'I know someone x happened to, so sod all the other data'.
There's plenty of people convinced the earth is flat, they're entitled to their views, but they're still idiots. Anti-vaxxers are worse though, as they get people killed through their anti-science garbage. Honestly, if you're one of those people, you're the worse kind of idiot.
The mask issue is a good one. Even if they worked, the aim was to stop infected people infecting others, yet it started in China, where masks are common place. I still see people wearing masks, which makes me smile. They are effectively flagging themselves as being germ spreaders. If they are so convinced they're contagious, the sensible thing would be for them to stay way from everyone else. To wander round with a mask just shows they don't understand how they're supposed to work or they're full of bugs.
Had my jabs thanks, not that it's any of your business and if I hadn't it doesn't make me or anyone else an idiot, it's their free choice...the way you've reacted with your responses though show you're an absolute ****er tbf
I've had two heart attacks, i've got four stents fitted, i've got Angina, Asthma and Emphysema. I've done everything my two Consultants have told me to do so I can have the best life possible. So i'm ****ed if i'm gonna take any notice of some soft twat on a message board and not have my Covid jabs.
