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Discussion in 'Sunderland' started by Poyet's Eleven, Nov 15, 2011.

  1. Poyet's Eleven

    Poyet's Eleven Well-Known Member

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    The more I want Bruce out. Bruce has had three years of recruitment, it's pretty obvious he can't build a team. I think he should leave before the Jan window, so our new man can start to build a TEAM not just a squad
     
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  2. Makemstine Roger

    Makemstine Roger Well-Known Member

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  3. Cest Advocaat

    Cest Advocaat Well-Known Member

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    Welcome on board mate. We will never amount to anything other than relegation material, or bottom half dwellers under Bruce. He totally fluked 10th with the last kick of the ball and from a game at the sports direct, not of his own doing last season. I've had a belly full of ****e managers that talk big and act small. Bruce is one of the very worst offenders given the situation he has been fortunate to have been afforded here at the club imo and I dread to think how much worse the football and our league position has to get, before someone at the club wakes and we rid ourselves of the man.

    Bottom 4 or 5 at Christmas will be his death knell. Surely? A crowd of near 30,000 won't help his cause on Saturday either. My mate has been working the last 3 home games and between us, we couldn't get rid of the ticket for free, a lift there and back door to door and all the bovril yet can drink.

    No sane person wants to watch the boring, predictable ****e football we churns out each week under his management. I find myself asking the same question these days.
     
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  4. In_Niall_We_Trust

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    We need to put up the money for a real proven manager thats actually ****in won something or we will always be staring at the wrong end of the league!
     
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  5. Commachio

    Commachio Rambo 2021

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    Agree 100%


    MoN rumours can now start again.

    Leicester have confirmed the appointment of Nigel Pearson as their new manager.


    The 48-year-old returns to the Foxes having signed a contract that lasts until the end of the 2013/2014 season, replacing the sacked Sven-Goran Eriksson, after a compensation package was agreed with npower Championship rivals Hull.

    He will be joined at the King Power Stadium by assistant managers Craig Shakespeare and Steve Walsh
     
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  6. Poyet's Eleven

    Poyet's Eleven Well-Known Member

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    I want a winner. God knows how Bruce is managing at this level.
     
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  7. MrRAWhite

    MrRAWhite Well-Known Member

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    I feel that everyone will feel a lot more positive after we have stuffed Fulham on Saturday...
     
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  8. Poyet's Eleven

    Poyet's Eleven Well-Known Member

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    6 nil, Noble 2, Sess 1, Seb 1, Gardener 1 & Colback/Vaughn 1

    3 assists for Sess &2 for Seb.

    All the goals in the last ten minutes. You heard it from me first
     
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  9. Cheik the room

    Cheik the room Well-Known Member

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    You'll get murdered by big Bobby Zamora...










    lol
     
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  10. Poyet's Eleven

    Poyet's Eleven Well-Known Member

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    By that you mean whoever is sitting the highest in the stadium?
     
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  11. Bizarreknives

    Bizarreknives Well-Known Member Forum Moderator

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    If this comes true give me your lottery numbers.
    Isnt Seb suspended ?
     
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  12. Poyet's Eleven

    Poyet's Eleven Well-Known Member

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    Damn ha, make that 2 goals for Sess and 2 assists for Colback. (aswell as the original predictions- just no Seb)


    He gets a lot of cards, doesn't he?
     
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  13. Chimera

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    Blaah blaah blaah....the same old bleating from the bruce out brigade!If you are going to continue this drip drip tedious repetative bleating ..please let us know given the financial constraints that safc are working under who the hell would realistically come and manage sunderland and be any better than bruce(unless given a budget of 30 million).
    I am not the greatest suporter of bruce but i do believe that stability is one key element of success so i will give him another couple of seasons........is it possible if you are going to answer to do so without cheap personal insults,,just to get things out of the way .i am not an idiot,stupid or worst of all a mag....i simply believe that bruce is a mid range manager with mid range ambitions which coincide with our chairmans ambitions (money he is wiling to spend) unfortunately some safc fans ambitions are far beyond the reach of our manager or chairman and this will always lead to disapointment.....ps please do not give the skunks any credit for sucess on a budget(yet, maybe come may)as i feel they are doing a blackpool.i hope
     
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  14. General Klytus

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    Completely 'rebuilding' the squad year in year out is precisely the opposite of stability. By definition, we have a continuous state of upheaval year in year out by retaining a manager that is unable to retain a squad of core players. That isn't stability, that is chaos.

    The squad we have this year will need atleast another 6-7 players in the summer...
     
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  15. Cest Advocaat

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    If there was any kind of coherent pattern to Bruce’s squad building, team tactics and selections over the past 2.5 years I'd fully agree with you. If we hadn’t had 2 second half season collapses in a row I'd agree with you. If I even had a minimal amount of confidence that he knows what he is doing and its all part of his master plan I'd agree. If we didn’t have a manager that has presided over 3 derby horror shows (one of them the worst in my lifetime) I'd agree.

    However, I don’t. Bruce is not a mid range manager, he's a lower end manager. A Wigan, Huddersfield or Palace type of manager. What we need is a Premiership manager who can motivate, inspire and create team spirit. We need a manager that has operated as you say without fortunes but have the ability to make a silks purse out of a pig’s ear. We need a manager that has won trophies (Cups) with unfashionable clubs and without a king’s ransom.

    What we need is Martin O Neill. Now there is a manager that has the C.V. to take us on and build something. I bet you all now that had MoN had been our manager for the last 2.5 years, we would not be 1 point off relegation after 11 games in his 3rd season, we wouldn’t have the striker crisis we currently have, the team would be balanced and well set up and most of all we wouldn’t have been slammed 5-1 in a derby game.

    What we do not need is Steve Bruce and further damage to our club.

    You say stability is key? I agree so long as that stability is not at the cost of our EPL status. Bruce is a danger to our EPL status (we were only 3 games from it last season and we have one foot hovering there right now) and if we stick by him as you suggest, I fear for our short term and long term future. Stability with the right man in charge even if he goes through a bad patch is fine. Bruce isn’t having a bad patch he's had a bad YEAR.

    Another relegation or relegation threatened season and our crowds will collapse. We are already 13,000 under capacity and the SOL. Next season, I think crowds of 30,000 will be the best we can expect as more and more fans vote with their feet in paying good money to watch Bruce’s style of boring predictably ****e football. After all, if Bruce was a good as his supporters all say why is the SOL almost a quarter empty every home game? It's not all the financial meltdown.
     
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  16. BrandSAFC

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    For me, I just don't have the passion or excitement I had a few months ago...just been sapped. Every game I dread and expect us t o lose, which obviously isn't much fun as a suppoter. Even woke up last after dreaming we lost 4-0 to QPR...and we're not even playing them until December!
     
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  17. Poyet's Eleven

    Poyet's Eleven Well-Known Member

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    We have a billionaire owner, why the **** do people think we're broke? He's had money to spend, and in his third season he shouldnt signing 11 players.

    Bruce out.
     
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  18. dansafcman

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    he isnt broke, but he does have to run sunderland as a business and keep our books balanced, especially with financial fair play rules. I cant be arsed arguing about te rest, as i did it to death on Cest's thread about Short.
     
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  19. Sunderpitt

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    Pie is right shape changer
     
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  20. blackcatsteve

    blackcatsteve Well-Known Member

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    I am not really sticking up for Bruce here, but look at the transfers he has done.

    in/out in his stint
    *Loans in

    2009/10
    In
    Turner
    Bent
    Cattermole
    Cana
    Campbell
    Killgallon
    Da Silva
    *Hutton
    *Mensah
    *Benjani

    Out:

    Chopra
    Whithead
    Collins
    Leadbitter
    McShane
    Halford
    Edwards
    Stokes

    10/11
    In
    Gyan (still ours so wont but him in bold)
    Sess
    Mignilet
    Angeleri
    Bramble
    *Elmo
    *Onuoha
    *Welbeck
    *Muntari
    Riveros

    out

    Bent
    Jones
    Cana
    Waghorn
    Murphy
    Fulop
    Da Silva
    Reid

    11/12
    In

    Whickam
    Gardner
    O`Shea
    Elmo
    Ji
    Brown
    McLean
    Vaughen
    Larsson
    Westwood
    *Bendtner

    Out:

    Henderson
    Ferdinand

    In that list, there is probably 2 players who he probably shouldnt have sold when he did imho Collins and Ferdinand, maybe Whitehead as well to make it 3, but would the rest of what he got rid off, really have took us any further, as most are playing Championship Football (yes Jones/Whitehead are playing in Europe, but i dont believe Jones gets that much game time this year with Crouch).

    And there is not an infinite supply of cash (actually there hasnt been much at all really) in the 3 years i believe he is about even with net spend, he isnt 80 million in debt like Pullis or Moyes (since he took over Everton).

    On paper i think we have a lot better team and squad than when Keane was here, but its on the pitch where is matters, so these next 4 games are crucial. (but you cant really blame Bruce for getting the players that he has, in place of the ones Keane left us with imho)
     
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