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Match Day Thread Bristol City v Norwich City

Discussion in 'Bristol City' started by wizered, Aug 28, 2023.

  1. AshtonRed

    AshtonRed Well-Known Member

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    Losing Semenyo was bad enough, but necessary, from our point of view I mean, losing Scott was not, if we accept it was player driven fair enough, but if we don’t invest some of the money to buy in quality we’re going to struggle, a club in our position cannot afford to lose that amount of quality and not replace it. add to that we’ve lost Conway to injury for several months. Being relegated will lose us in the region of £13m per year. I’m not suggesting blowing the lot but without investing some of it in quality I think we’re in for a really tough season
     
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  2. RedorDead

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    Funds are there for purchases, but wages are not. Two different things. It’s not difficult to work that out. Before you say use the funds to increase the wages on new purchases. You are doing the opposite thing to what your dream man Nige wants and big gaps in wages.

    Kalas wages was offered on much lower than he was previously on. Vyner not signing is because he is probably being offered less than he is currently on. His wages were set by Ashton so that is my guess.

    So sell those lot who are you replacing them with?
     
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  3. RedorDead

    RedorDead Well-Known Member

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    I’m working so can’t keep going back to this.
    Scott was not going to sign a new contract meaning he might not have said “I want to go” but his value with us was going to fall, and fall. Till we do another Big Dave and Kalas and let them go for nothing. £25 million will give us three to four years dealing.
    Also we lost Conway after Scott went.
     
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  4. AshtonRed

    AshtonRed Well-Known Member

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    Agree apart from the last paragraph, if they go we’ll have to replace them and their wages, I don’t see much saving in that.
     
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  5. AshtonRed

    AshtonRed Well-Known Member

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    I’m interested where do you think we’ll end up with our current squad, do you not think the quality of the present squad is less than last years squad since we’ve lost Semenyo and Scott ? , and if so l, why would we end up any higher than last year?
     
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  6. Red Robin

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    You are talking to much sense Ashton <laugh>
     
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  7. wizered

    wizered Ol' Mucker Staff Member

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    Last 8 seasons final positions ~
    2015/16 - 18......SC/LJ
    2016/17 - 17......LJ
    2017/18 - 11......LJ
    2018/19 - 8.......LJ
    2019/20-12.......LJ/DH
    2020/21-19.......DH/NP
    2021/22- 17......NP
    2023/23-14......NP

    LJ achieved 11th in his 3rd year, 8th in his 4th , surely if NP achieves 11th or higher this his 3rd full season he is on par for the course?
     
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  8. AshtonRed

    AshtonRed Well-Known Member

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    That’s a fair point, but we are where we are. To improve moving forward we need quality players to make up for the loss of arguably our 3 best players, 2 sold and 1 to injury, if we don’t there will be consequences
     
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  9. RedorDead

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    I never predicted higher, I think we will stay the same this season. I personally think come next summer when finances are better we can then go for it.

    I forgot to add, when we submitted our annual accounts we’ve also got to submit a plan to get out of the ****. One of those would be setting wage caps. Come next year we are submitting a far better balance sheet and would therefore be able to lift our self imposed wage ceiling.
     
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  10. Red Robin

    Red Robin Well-Known Member

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    better players hopefully

    wells a fraction of the player

    weimann one good season

    vyner six good months

    williams injured the majority of his time here and not lifted any trees since being back.
     
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  11. AshtonRed

    AshtonRed Well-Known Member

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    Pretty sure the Semenyo deal ended any slight chance we’d be in trouble with finances post COVID. SL himself even quoted the Scott money would be a “nest egg”. Pointless having a “nest egg” if we’re relegated
     
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  12. AshtonRed

    AshtonRed Well-Known Member

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    Wells and Weiman both unlikely to get another contract, both excellent senior pros, the youngsters can learn loads from them, attitude and experience. Vyner I disagree, much more than 6 good months, he , almost single handed held our defence together at times last season, come on leaps and bounds from a couple of seasons ago, I’d do all I could to keep him personally
     
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  13. AshtonRed

    AshtonRed Well-Known Member

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    The argument about not having scope wages wise confuses me. We’ve offered both Scott and Kakas wages to keep them, I know Kalas was offered a reduced wage, but it would still have been amongst our highest, the same for Scott, appreciate his wages probably wasn’t that high, but we’d have had to again offered top wages within the budget to try to keep him. Therefore there has to be headroom to bring in a quality player.

    Something doesn’t add up, we know we have cash from the sale of Scott, even SL has admitted as such, and the above example demonstrates we have the wage capacity also.
     
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  14. realred1952

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    water under the bridge........
     
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  15. RedorDead

    RedorDead Well-Known Member

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    Budgeted but we knew they weren’t going to stay.
    We then got Knight, Roberts, Dickie, McCory and TGH. I know you are going to say but we got rid of Dasilva etc but we did start off with a very high wage limit.
     
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  16. realred1952

    realred1952 Well-Known Member

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    if the press is to believed... then Scott's valuation was the main trigger £25m + add ons . his next contract had he stayed would likely have been higher? How much is he on at Bournemouth? no one knows might be about £10k???? or
     
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  17. RedorDead

    RedorDead Well-Known Member

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    Anyway I really like Yeboah. Think he’s going to be some player and awaiting the return of Benerous
     
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  18. AshtonRed

    AshtonRed Well-Known Member

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    Haven’t seen yeboah, but can’t wait for Benerous to be fit . If he can return to pre injury levels he’ll go far.
     
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    Just seen the Norwich goal.
    I've actually seen a player slower than Vyner on the turn.

    At the weekend I had sympathy for Webster getting turned by Antonio, it was great movement by the West Ham player.
    But ffs the Norwich player didn't do anything special, Dickie showed exactly why QPR was surplus to their requirements.
     
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  20. Angelicnumber16

    Angelicnumber16 Well-Known Member

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    Was it Lee Johnson ?

    Do I win £5 ? <laugh><laugh>
     
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