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Grand Prix thread DUTCH GRAND PRIX 2023

Discussion in 'Formula 1' started by ched999uk, Aug 24, 2023.

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Who will finish first?

Poll closed Aug 26, 2023.
  1. Max Verstappen

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  2. Sergio Perez

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  3. Charles Leclerc

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  4. Lewis Hamilton

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  5. Fernando Alonso

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  6. Lando Norris

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  7. George Russell

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  8. Oscar Piastri

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  9. Daniel Ricciardo

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  10. Any Other

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  1. ched999uk

    ched999uk Well-Known Member

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    What is up with Charles's Ferrari?
     
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  2. Julius Caesar

    Julius Caesar Well-Known Member Forum Moderator

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    Interesting that Albon went for mediums. I guess he had to because never used the inters?
     
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    ched999uk Well-Known Member

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    Tsunoda's tyres are shot
     
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  4. Mark Blow

    Mark Blow Well-Known Member

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    I wish the rain would hurry up and crash Verstappen out.
     
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    ched999uk Well-Known Member

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    Race over.
     
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  6. Big Ern

    Big Ern Lord, Master, Guru & Emperor

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    they'll SC this and give the race to Max.
     
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  7. Mark Blow

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    Pussy’s can’t even drive in the rain anymore
     
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  8. Julius Caesar

    Julius Caesar Well-Known Member Forum Moderator

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    The desire to throw red flags every time it rains actually encourages unsafe behaviours. Everyone stayed out on inters despite the aquaplaning because a safety car / red flag was inevitable.

    Perez nearly lost a bunch of positions for doing the obviously correct thing and putting on a tyre that you can make turn 1 with.
     
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    ched999uk Well-Known Member

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    Good point.
    I would be interested to see some in helmet views to see how bad visibility was.
     
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  10. Julius Caesar

    Julius Caesar Well-Known Member Forum Moderator

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    And now the classic waiting for slicks before restarting
     
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  11. Mark Blow

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    A rolling start so Max stays in the lead
     
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  12. Big Ern

    Big Ern Lord, Master, Guru & Emperor

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    What is the actual point in the wet weather tyres?
     
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    Why are they trundling around behind the safety car? How can the safety car driver decide in a non f1 car how safe the track is. Utterly pathetic
     
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  14. Mark Blow

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    Croft ‘ Fernando is not that far behind Fernando Alonso’
     
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    Number 1 Jasper Well-Known Member

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    They want Max to finish the whole race and be able to wave to all his fans :emoticon-0183-swear
     
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    They save the FIA from having to pay for track dryers.
     
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    A lot going on today and it’s sad to see the apparent ennui here, which I can only attribute to too much focus on the front.

    I do agree that the situation with the wets is farcical, but it’s not changing in season and I expect not until we’re rid of Pirelli.

    Lots of good performances today, Sainz, Gasly, Alonso and Albon in particular came through the chaos well.
     
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    I'm not even sure how much the problem is the Pirelli wet tyre, Vs the current aero regs generating too much spray for wet running. Visibility becomes a problem about the same time the wet weather tyres are viable.

    If anything, perhaps the intermediate tyre is too good? Perhaps if the drivers were forced onto wet tyres in "very damp" conditions, it would allow them to keep running on the same tyres further into wet conditions? Because as Julius points out above, by the time the wet becomes viable, the race is being red flagged anyway and it discourages people using that tyre.
     
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    A terrific podium for Alonso again. P2- his season is so much more impressive than he is getting credit for. He’s almost with Perez for P2 in the Championship.

    Staggering really and wouldn’t it be something if Aston could make a leap next year to put him in the fight for race wins.
     
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    This comment did give me pause for thought. I think it’s asking a lot for Hamilton to be totally motivated to fight for third places, but then if that’s the case what does it say about George, who I have been disappointed with this year? There’s a part of me that thinks the grid needs a bit of a shakeup and Merc changing a driver is probably the only shoe that could drop this year to trigger this, but on the other hand it’s not obvious that switching teams for any driver not in an Alpine or worse is going to be a step forward so I do suspect we’ll see the status quo maintained until ‘25 Norris and Alonso will have options and Ferrari might be running out of things to change.
     
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