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Is the world at a dangerous crossroad?

Discussion in 'Bristol City' started by invermeremike, Feb 21, 2022.

  1. invermeremike

    invermeremike Well-Known Member

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    We probably will never know the truth on this one but the variances of the story make interesting copy for the media.
     
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    depends on whether a independant authority actually gets to decipher the black boxes .. and not the Russian establishment ......... of course the answer might come back damaged beyond usefulness ... which will be bo**ox as they are pretty much indestructable core memory is protected against being dropped from 60,000 feet / subject to intense heat that would have to melt the casings.. and RF interference ... or magnetic shock ...
     
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  4. invermeremike

    invermeremike Well-Known Member

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    What a pity his plane didn't meet the same fate on it's trip to Georgia. Just in case you need to know this man is on my most unwanted list.
     
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  5. Angelicnumber16

    Angelicnumber16 Well-Known Member

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    I’d pick Trump 1000 times over the corrupt Biden family who continue to get sway with things aided by the Media, FBI and DOJ
    At least he’s a person who believes in patriotism and conservative values and who won’t willingly and rightly let a single illegal into the USA
    What’s happened to Trump is literally a witch-hunt by the state
    If it was in South America or Africa where they lock up their political opponents no one would raise an eyebrow but America ? Really ?
    A total disgrace and it’s stoking the chances of violent conflict between the right and left
     
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    I don’t follow USA politics that much, but from what I’ve seen all US commentators are saying Trump falsely tried to claim he actually won the last election, encouraged the attack on the White House by his supporters, kept loads of secret documents at his house after he lost the election, just to name a few. He still doesn’t recognise he lost the last election.
    The man is delusional, I don’t understand how anyone could possibly try to defend him.
     
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  7. Angelicnumber16

    Angelicnumber16 Well-Known Member

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    As I’ve said on here before, Donald Trump is a deeply flawed human being but that being said, I’d still take him over Biden any day of the week

    He upsets liberals and hurts their feelings by telling them uncomfortable home truths.

    I believe there was a cover up over the January 6th events given that Trump had previously asked Pelosi for extra Security to be in place at the Capitol building which she refused to sign off, and none of the people that turned up were armed.

    That’s akin to having no security at the Houses of Parliament here. Madness !

    Trump had also asked his supporters on Twitter to go there in peace to demonstrate which was removed by Twitter.

    Despite the people employed at his Scottish golf courses and his love of the UK in general the British press hate him and prefer Biden who is clearly anti British, and who much prefers the EU.

    Under Biden the economy has tanked, the southern border is like an open door, law and order is non existent and violent crime in the major cities is up hundreds of percent. These are mainly black on black incidents and the US media barely mentions any of it.

    Trump is a hugely successful businessman not a career politician like many others, and wanted to expose the corruption illegal activities and waste in US politics and government from this regime and the Obama administration before it including Hilary Clinton

    Those who are guilty of those deeds, aided by many government bodies and the media will stop at nothing to prevent that happening and the truth coming out.

    Even American voters who have no political affiliation to either party are saying it’s a joke.

    What’s worse of all is that the best that both US parties can muster are leaders pushing 80 years old.

    If Trump announced he wasn’t going to be the Republican nomination most of the accusations against him would stop.
     
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  8. Star of David Bardsley

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    He’s basically a more extreme, more American version of American Johnson.

    I’m just about old enough to remember voting for dull politicians who knew what they were doing rather than supposedly charismatic multi-millionaire nepo baby fat chancers born into unimaginable privilege who bizarrely convince low-IQ ‘patriots’ without a pot to piss in that they’re on their side.
     
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  9. invermeremike

    invermeremike Well-Known Member

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    Living where I do so close to the U.S. border and having been in Canada I tend to hear more information than I need but it doesn't take a political guru to know that Trump is essentially the mafia in wolf's clothing. Members of the Republican Party want to take away all things from their opponents that they do not believe they are entitled to get including top class health care and many other things. Basically it is a class struggle, somewhat akin to a civil war, and the lines between politics and the legal system is fast becoming a blurred line that is fostering hatred within the so-called United States. All of the current nonsense has been made up by Trump and is being used to cement his future, and not the country's, which puts him on a level with Putin and all of the other deranged people who believe they deserve to be a god of some kind. The legal system in the U.S. is controlled by the government because they have so many levels of recourse through both state and federal supreme courts which will make your head spin. The SCOTUS was set up by Trump in an extremely partisan way in order to overthrow the Roe vs Wade abortion bill to please the ultra-religious millions and the long term damage to American democracy will continue as long as he remains in politics. The case against Trump in Georgia where he, and 18 others, are charged with trying to overturn the state election in the last general election. Trump lost the last election by the same vote margin by which he became President, and he called that win as a landslide, but refused to accept the defeat last time out. Whether you are a Trump supporter, or not, the legal rambles against Trump and his co-conspirators will drag on for years and cost mega millions and that is all down to Trump and his MAGA followers. Trump believes he is beyond reproach and that is a trait he learnt from his ultra criminal father who sowed the same seeds of hatred and lies whilst abusing his workers without a thought. Backing Trump is like welcoming Enoch Powell to your dinner party and letting him say things you don't truly want to hear and yet secretly agreeing with his thoughts despite their hatred based rhetoric.

    Voting regulations in many different states are being changed as we speak to stifle the voting rights of black and hispanic voters and moving electoral boundaries to secure wins for the Republican candidates where possible. There is also a move afoot to allow states to change the confirmation of the election by putting Republican Party members in charge of certification of the results which would only approve a win by their candidate despite the fact that they lost on the vote count. Enough of my spouting, but by voting for Trump you are attempting to cut off your nose to spite your nose and if that is your bag then go for it but beware of what you wish for down the line because he will walk all over you and any rights you deserve under the American Constitution. My thoughts may upset some but you need to live next door to Trump country to fully know where his agenda will take our neighbour to the south and how their policies affect Canada on a daily basis. Trump single handedly destroyed many aspects of the Canadian economy at the stroke of a pen and continually said he didn't give a rat's arse about us, so perhaps that puts my comments into perspective. Horrible human being with sub-human ideas that could destroy the United title in his country's name and possible recreate a new civil war on some level.
     
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  10. Angelicnumber16

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    I think the Democrats are already doing that very well by pushing their identity politics, supporting and abetting the likes of BLM and then getting the Police to stand by and watch as innocent shop owners saw their stores looted and burned to the ground by the mob.

    They also stopped the oil pipeline from the US to Canada as well as arming the Taliban by withdrawing from Afghanistan without a word to NATO allies.

    The Democrats also want to ensure all the illegals flooding over the southern border vote for them at the next election too.

    When you have the Democrats, FBI, social media and the mainstream media are all working together previously to suppress very important stories such as the Hunter Biden laptop saga and the $20m dollars supposedly given to the Biden family from the likes of Russia, Kazakhstan and Ukraine under very dubious circumstances, and having Hunter Biden acting as a board member for a Ukrainian company and getting $50,000 a week, then serious questions need to be asked.

    But it's all one way - anti Trump and the world knows he's got skeletons in his closet, but he's not alone by a long way.

    There are rumours that legal moves to try and impeach Biden might come as early as next week.

    But then again, the ideals and tactics that lefty Justin Trudeau has used such as the war against the truckers during Covid don't exactly paint him in a good light either, as what he and his government did was worse than the other idealogist countries like Scotland, Australia and New Zealand, who I'm sure if they had their way would still be in lockdown now.

    Being the astute businessman he is, Trump has already raised $7.1m dollars from selling merchandise from the prison mugshot to aid his campaign.
     
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    If attacking the ports where grain is shipped from was not enough Putrids evil band of nonnos are now attacking the the sunflower processing plants that are just beginning to process the oil [ along with possibly oilseed rape as well.. this has to be real war crimes of the lowest of the low .. killing civilians in civilain areas with no military attachment to use as excuses!
     
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    According to the BBC, the latest Ukrainian death toll is around 70,000
     
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  13. Red Robin

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    The invasion of Bristol is starting -illegals coming to central Bristol at taxpayers expence.


    More Hotel Jobs Lost

    Mercure Holland House Hotel in Bristol is the latest Quisling outfit to sack its staff to house economic parasites crossing the Channel

    What the media & TUC wilfully ignore is the fact over 16,000! hotel staff have lost their jobs most without any notice

     
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    and an awful lot of them are immigrants [ legal ] who came here pre Brexit
     
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    But legal not illegal.
     
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    Angelicnumber16 Well-Known Member

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    But there are thousands of people who welcome these illegals who arrive here with their top end trainers, with open arms, yet who will ignore hungry British kids living in poverty who for me deserve their help and charity far more.

    What is the saying again ? Oh yes, charity begins at home - and by that I mean the UK.

    In my life I've seen heart breaking footage of real refugees. The young men getting off the dinghies are not in the same category by a country mile.

    If they can afford to pay the trafficking gangs £3k or whatever the going rate is this week for the dangerous crossing of the English Channel, then they can afford to go to Paris, buy a plane ticket from BA, Air France, Easy Jet or whoever for £200 and fly to Heathrow and claim asylum there.

    Why don't they do that ?
    Because they have no legal right to be here let alone stay here forever, and they would be returned to Paris on the next available flight. End of story.

    Arriving here illegally they should be detained until their claim is heard, and from day 1 they should be charged for their accommodation, food, medical care and anything else they need.
    If their claim is upheld then they can work off their debt and pay it back by additional taxation.

    If their claim is rejected (fat chance) they should be made to do unpaid work until it is and then be deported.

    There, I've solved the issue of the Government wasting £4bn of taxpayers money a year

    I wish !

    The EU will realise one day that they need to stop this at the source, as Italy and Greece are again at breaking point with these people and anyone crossing the Mediterranean should be returned to Libya, Algeria, Morocco or wherever they set off from.

    Europe as a whole simply cannot support the tens of millions wanting to come to Europe from the Middle East and West Africa and it's still going up.

    It's totally unsustainable.
     
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    Perfectly put-why is it ordinary hard working British people see what is required-however these puppets in office who are actually paid for by us and work on our behalf don't see it.

    Makes my blood boil.
     
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    Because our Government are weak willed and are scared what the rest of world would say if we started behaving like sensible people who have a country whose services can't cope with this influx of scroungers and started turning every single boat back.

    The French are also to blame for not detaining these people from failed attempts to get across the Channel, thus allowing them to try again the next day or the day after that until they succeed, at which point they are no longer France's problem.

    Amazing how little half a billion pounds buys you these days, which is what we've paid the French to do a really bad job.
     
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    there is a lot of underlying feeling towards the " unpaid work" in some cases / forms.
    The problem is in the UK WE HAVE AN ARMY of wasters and leech's that wont work, get into habit of not working and sponge from the rest of us. Problem is the support packages put together undermine the need to work!
    In the 50's my grandfather whom I used to visit everyday [ almost ] taught me a lot ... key was principles, without them you are a nobody! [ good ones that is! ] He also explained things like "how the week would be split up when you get older, leave school" back then it was, in the 24 hours of a day 8 hours of sleep, 10 hours of work, [ 50 hours in week of 7 days ] 1 hour to do the necessary things! 2 hours to eat, and 3 hours to " do other things" [ bear in mind most households had gardens and grew stuff! ] Saturday and Sunday were for relaxing or doing other things actively or passively! what you earned was what you had to keep you afloat!

    look now no need to dwell on it ... food banks, dole ques, a mass of additional payments from the state to help you be lazy a**wipes, a dependancy on others keeping the wheels turning, woke , "so called charitable human rights groups people" who believe spongers need to given a chance before, and at the cost of others!
    SO getting them to do unpaid work deprives the wasters of getting a job...LOL .. which they wouldnt do anyway, a catch 22!

    food for thought..................
    WE waste, as a country £2,755,000,000 having to process these illegal incumbents this money could ............
    PAY for an extra 10,000 NURSES [ DOCTORS etc ] 10,000 other emergency workers Police fire ambulance ] and have £1,000,000,000 for building Hospitals & care centres etc
    bring up to date the elderlies pensions by a further £250 a year [ would pay most peoples council tax! ]
    Care homes ... there are currently 750,000 care home workers staff etc... not enough as wages are Basic to Medium ... so could pay for 50,000 extra at £25k pa and have an extra £1k pa for existing ...
    what would £2,755,000,000 build? at least 10 small [ front print to be added to ] size hospitals? @ £275m to start! [ bear in mind figures are for the first year without these hotels costs! for illegals ]
     
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    I agree with most of that John especially the lazy people here who feign illness to get benefits they don't deserve.

    But a Government (forget the Tories and Labour), any Government, needs to get hold of the illegals situation, change the law, be brave, be ruthless or whatever it takes to stop people coming here illegally, notwithstanding the dangerous English Channel crossing.

    In this day of previously unimaginable technical advances and also laziness, neither of which our grandparents would recognise today, there have to be ways of stopping people drowning needlessly and coming to countries in Europe just because they are poor.
     
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