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  1. Milk..

    Milk.. Well-Known Member

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    VAR makes games more fair, but not necessarily more exciting. It obviously doesn't cut down on all ref mistakes and bias, but take the Chelsea game... We each had a goal disallowed for offside that was initially incorrectly counted by the ref. Two major mistakes in one game corrected by VAR.

    That said, it doesn't necessarily make the game better.
     
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    I'm not a big fan of offside being judged to a hair's breadth anyway. If it isn't far enough to be obvious, it isn't far enough to matter imo.
     
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  3. Bumps

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    Not sure how you think that some rough preferential would be better than a definitive
    Many people - not saying you
    Say needs to be daylight - but how much daylight is daylight
    There is always going to be controversy around offside imho
    Where is the line (if you excuse the terminology) that divides your obvious enough to matter and not
    However something akin to the line is the only way to do it i think
    Every other way I have heard leaves to much ambiguity or dependence on common sense which just is not going to happen

    VAR is a **** show because we want it to be a **** show
    They can use it positively
    We in England choose not to imho
     
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  4. Diego

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    The rule would be so much easier and better if they stuck to the original meaning of it "seeking to gain unfair advantage".
    This was intended to stop what used to be known as goal hangers, players who literally stayed in or around the opposition penalty area waiting for a one on one with the keeper.
    Being more alert and running forward to receive a pass before a defender reacts is not seeking unfair advantage, neither is wearing bigger boots or having a longer nose.
    Just for the record, when a team has a free kick and plays it toward the oppo penalty area but the defenders run the opposite way knowing full well where the ball is going how can the attackers be trying to gain advantage by staying in said area waiting for the ball when the cowardly defenders run away?
     
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  5. Bumps

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    I really don’t think it would as it is too open to interpretation
    I think that’s the problem overall
    Offside is as factual as goal line technology so there will always be a millimetre somewhere in the decision making process

    As I said - I can get on board with the rule tweaks
    As that line will always be there
    For me - as it has always been it’s consistency that is key - and that’s where we have problems
     
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  6. saintanton

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    If there was a simple definitive then maybe it would be ok, but if it takes them a full minute or more to draw their lines and mull over it then the difference is negligible. If there was a way to know immediately, as with goal-mouth decisions, then ok - but the disruption to the game and the false euphoria of goals being ruled out in this way is a big negative for me.
    Left up to the lino it becomes subjective of course, but that's the nature of the thing.
    I for one, don't care if an attacker is a nose goal-side of his defender. The system is arbitrary anyway, a player can be deemed offside if he's fractionally ahead of a defender standing next to him, whereas he can be played on by someone 30 yards away from him on the touchline who has no chance of intercepting him.
    Like Diego said, the law was introduced to prevent goal-hanging, it doesn't need to be down to the millimetre.

    The fundamental issue with VAR - which was obvious even before it was introduced - is that people expected it to magically eliminate subjectivity and controversy, something it just can't do.
    Also, I'm not convinced it is somehow fairer in other leagues, I've seen plenty of complaints from other fans.
     
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  7. Zanjinho

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  8. johnsonsbaby

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    VAR may work better if it was an independent panel operating it with no connections to either the teams or the referees. In light of recent revelations, no favours for mates. I don't know how feasible it would be to find a body of people with no interest in football at all, train them up, run an extensive testing programme and give it a go.

    If it's purely rules driven then a lack of understanding of intent, as one example, wouldn't matter because the VAR operative wouldn't be refereeing or rerefereeing, merely following the set of rules specifically linked to decisions relating to the areas that VAR is involved in. Thus eliminating any bias.
     
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  9. Milk..

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    Put a microchip in the ball with a location sensor and an accelerometer. Put a similar location sensor in the collar of each player. Have a computer determine who is inside/offside immediately based on the location of the ball and the player.

    Ref can still override if he determines it comes off the wrong players boot, etc...
     
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    I think that’s where it will end up tbh
    We are just in a period of flux

    I also think the same as many on here that if we were to Mic up the refs and hear why they have made a decision then a majority of the decisions would be tolerated and that might eliminate the need for VAR but I doubt it because the speed of the game
     
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  11. Bumps

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    And you call me negative
    I just see it as a chance to celebrate a goal twice
     
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  12. Solid Air 2

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    TV companies would veto it as the commentary would consist mainly of "apologies for any bad language you may heard"
     
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  13. Garlic Klopp

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    Since Kane left Spurs don't go all Spursy anymore, coincidence?
     
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  14. Bumps

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    Saving my #calledit till the fat lady sings lol
     
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  15. moreinjuredthanowen

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    it's Bournemouth and a crap man utd team before that.

    everyone should be winning those.
     
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  16. Solid Air 2

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    was surprised we didn't go after Bissouma when Spurs signed him and now they have a manager who likes positive football he looks a steal at £25m .Maddison started really well there as well.
     
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  17. InBiscanWeTrust

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    On the other hand Bayern lost their first price of silverware in His first game.

    Maybe it’s not being spursy… maybe it’s being Kaney
     
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  18. InBiscanWeTrust

    InBiscanWeTrust Rome, London, Paris, Rome, Istanbul, Madrid
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    United 2-0 down at home to forest after 4 kinutes
     
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  19. organic red

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    <laugh>
     
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  20. InBiscanWeTrust

    InBiscanWeTrust Rome, London, Paris, Rome, Istanbul, Madrid
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    Boo 2-1 now.
    Arsenal Ali losing at home to Fulham
     
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