1. Log in now to remove adverts - no adverts at all to registered members!

Off Topic Chelsea

Discussion in 'Newcastle United' started by Albert's Chip Shop, Jan 11, 2023.

  1. Darren Peacock’s Ponytail

    Darren Peacock’s Ponytail Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 29, 2011
    Messages:
    34,876
    Likes Received:
    23,762
    Because people were getting a hissy with CC <laugh> but seriously they are not banned
     
    #221
    Munson. and Obi Wan like this.
  2. FadgewackeR

    FadgewackeR Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Apr 15, 2011
    Messages:
    3,649
    Likes Received:
    4,633
    Will post more of a summary in the financials thread for the challenged.

    Business Model
    Chelsea’s business model over the past few years owes a great deal to the accounting treatment for player trading, as the approach has essentially been to offset large operating losses with profits made from player sales.

    In the 10 years up to 2021/22, Chelsea have consistently posted large operating losses, adding up to nearly a billion pounds - £944m to be precise (and that excludes another £152m of exceptional items).

    please log in to view this image

    However, these losses have been largely offset by a very impressive £706m profit from player sales in the same period, including three seasons above £100m.

    please log in to view this image

    Chelsea’s approach can be perfectly illustrated by comparing their financials over the last decade with the other clubs in the Premier League. Their £944m operating loss is by some distance the worst, over 50% more than the next highest (Aston Villa £598m).

    please log in to view this image

    However, the opposite is true for player sales, where Chelsea generated by far the highest profit, with their £706m being nearly twice as much as the closest challenger, Liverpool £385m.

    please log in to view this image

    Profit/(Loss) before Tax
    That said, Chelsea still reported net losses in three of the last four years, so player trading is not a panacea, though it sure does help to limit the damage. The bottom line is that if Chelsea can continue to sell well, then they should be fine in terms of financial fair play.

    please log in to view this image

    please log in to view this image
     
    #222
  3. Welshie

    Welshie Chavcunt fanboy dickhead

    Joined:
    Jan 25, 2011
    Messages:
    28,796
    Likes Received:
    27,789
    hm I'm worried about Munson

    this amount of info will make his brain dribble out his ears
     
    #223
    Obi Wan and FadgewackeR like this.
  4. Roland Deschain

    Roland Deschain Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 6, 2011
    Messages:
    14,067
    Likes Received:
    12,002
    Love the use of the word 'panacea', very nice.

    I think it's make or break, though. They sold the likes of Mount, RLC and (soon) Hall, which is pure profit, right? But those players are drying up. They still have Gallagher and James but I'm struggling to think of another youth product? Once they run out of those, the numbers don't add up - and I don't see them getting CL football, because I think they have too much youth, not enough leaders and the competition is just better than they are.
     
    #224
  5. ToonArmy1892

    ToonArmy1892 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 10, 2021
    Messages:
    18,065
    Likes Received:
    15,511
    Colwill and they brought another yoof on yesterday who i hadn't heard of.
     
    #225
  6. FadgewackeR

    FadgewackeR Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Apr 15, 2011
    Messages:
    3,649
    Likes Received:
    4,633
    Even after shifting numerous players, there are still quite a few left that would generate decent money, especially the Academy products like Conor Gallagher, Trevor Chalobah, Callum Hudson-Odoi, Armando Broja and Ian Maatsen.

    Throw in a couple of out-of-favour players like Romelu Lukaku and Marc Cucurella and there are clearly gains that could still be made.
     
    #226

  7. Rum & Black for 2

    Rum & Black for 2 Champion’s League Prediction League Champion Forum Moderator

    Joined:
    May 1, 2011
    Messages:
    30,048
    Likes Received:
    25,364
    Summary.
     
    #227
  8. FadgewackeR

    FadgewackeR Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Apr 15, 2011
    Messages:
    3,649
    Likes Received:
    4,633
    The key for Chelsea's financial stability lies in their ability to continue selling players effectively.
     
    #228
    Obi Wan likes this.
  9. Obi Wan

    Obi Wan keeper of the peace Forum Moderator

    Joined:
    Jan 25, 2011
    Messages:
    40,812
    Likes Received:
    27,403
    So the more players they buy the more players they have available to sell. Aha. Genius.
     
    #229
  10. FadgewackeR

    FadgewackeR Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Apr 15, 2011
    Messages:
    3,649
    Likes Received:
    4,633
    If I answer that with any intelligence, it will become too confusing for some.
     
    #230
  11. Welshie

    Welshie Chavcunt fanboy dickhead

    Joined:
    Jan 25, 2011
    Messages:
    28,796
    Likes Received:
    27,789
    If Chelsea can sell players like Lewis Hall to clubs like us for over 30m, they will be fine.
     
    #231
    FadgewackeR and Obi Wan like this.
  12. FadgewackeR

    FadgewackeR Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Apr 15, 2011
    Messages:
    3,649
    Likes Received:
    4,633
    For FFP in the PL:

    However, even using somewhat optimistic assumptions, Chelsea are a long way above the P&S limit in 2023/24. The projected loss over the 3-year monitoring period is £323m, which can be reduced by £122m of allowable deductions, but still giving a £201m P&S loss, i.e. almost twice as much as the maximum allowed.
    upload_2023-8-21_20-54-27.png

    My guess is that the club would argue that further adjustments should also be considered due to special circumstances:

    • Revenue lost when sanctions were applied by the government

    • Exceptional player impairment (which Everton have claimed as a COVID adjustment)

    • Lost player sales – due to the transfer market being deflated by COVID and the economic sanctions preventing some deals being made.
    The other possibility is that Chelsea have effectively decided to ignore the P&S regulations and take their chances with any punishment imposed by the authorities. As long as this is not a points deduction or a transfer embargo, they would probably not be that bothered.

    Personally - I think that the final possibility is what they're doing. I don't think the penalty will be harsh enough to deter them.
     
    #232
  13. Obi Wan

    Obi Wan keeper of the peace Forum Moderator

    Joined:
    Jan 25, 2011
    Messages:
    40,812
    Likes Received:
    27,403
    If it isn't harsh, then it won't deter others either and so the 'rules' will just be pointless. Same goes for Man City and Everton breaching financial regs.

    The powers that be will soon need to decide whether they want to show strength and make an example of these clubs, or just to let any club do whatever they want with a public, but very tame, wrist slap. Interesting times, because once they set a precedent either way, it will be difficult for them to not be consistent. With the amount if money in football now, there could be some massive lawsuits if UEFA / EPL / FA are inconsistent in their punishments in a way that really impacts one club over another.
     
    #233
  14. Darren Peacock’s Ponytail

    Darren Peacock’s Ponytail Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 29, 2011
    Messages:
    34,876
    Likes Received:
    23,762
    Given the length of the contracts given by Chelsea I’m sure they wouldn’t be concerned about a transfer embargo
     
    #234
    Obi Wan likes this.
  15. Rum & Black for 2

    Rum & Black for 2 Champion’s League Prediction League Champion Forum Moderator

    Joined:
    May 1, 2011
    Messages:
    30,048
    Likes Received:
    25,364
    Someary
     
    #235
  16. FadgewackeR

    FadgewackeR Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Apr 15, 2011
    Messages:
    3,649
    Likes Received:
    4,633
    Well they would, because their entire business model revolves around player trade.
     
    #236
    Obi Wan likes this.
  17. Darren Peacock’s Ponytail

    Darren Peacock’s Ponytail Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 29, 2011
    Messages:
    34,876
    Likes Received:
    23,762
    They can still sell
     
    #237
  18. FadgewackeR

    FadgewackeR Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Apr 15, 2011
    Messages:
    3,649
    Likes Received:
    4,633
    UEFA compliance is a bit more complicated, and I'll post it tomorrow. Battling a sodding migraine...

    Long story short, they'll fail to comply when they get back intoo Europe, but get their wrists slapped, a fine and make some sort of deal (as predicted). The lack of regard to compliance is staggering however.
     
    #238
    magpie290761 likes this.
  19. FadgewackeR

    FadgewackeR Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Apr 15, 2011
    Messages:
    3,649
    Likes Received:
    4,633
    Not necessarily.
     
    #239
  20. Darren Peacock’s Ponytail

    Darren Peacock’s Ponytail Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 29, 2011
    Messages:
    34,876
    Likes Received:
    23,762
    How and why? The players would most certainly be allowed to leave
     
    #240

Share This Page