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Match Day Thread Tottenham Hotspur v Brentford

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  1. Roo

    Roo Well-Known Member

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    I do wonder where Richarlison’s head is at. He played second fiddle to Kane (obviously), and barely got a chance last year. During that time there’s been so much speculation on social media from fans about the money we spent on him, whether he was a waste of money, whether he’s the right type of player etc.
    he’s bound to have seen all of that, and whilst some players will have the mental strength to prove people wrong, others do not. I wonder if the last year may have taken it’s toll on his belief in himself and the shoes he’s expected to fill.

    but the reality from a fans perspective is that his record of games to goals ratio isn’t fantastic and never has been.
    he’s sure to know that too, and I wonder if the expectation is too much for him.
     
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  2. Blue and White

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    Don't pay any attention to MOTD. They rarely do justice to any Spurs performance. I only watch it to see the goals . Fast forward through the analysis..

    As for
    Don't pay any attention to MOTD. They rarely do justice to any Spurs performance. I only watch it to see the goals . Fast forward through the analysis..

    Vicario wasn't lucky. The player had completed his shot a long time before Vicario slid into him.
     
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  3. Blue and White

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    As for the reallly poor performance from Son and Richi.
    Kulu and Son were wingers, barely coming inside because that is for Emerson and Udogie..
    If that is the way we are going to play then Perisic is far superior to Son in that position and Son can play in the centre instead of Richi. I know he hasn't got any heading ability, but Ange doesn't want us to cross balls in the air, he prefers the low passes.
     
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  4. Dier Hard

    Dier Hard G'day mate!

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    I actually think that Richarlison has quite a strong mentality, I also feel he believes he’s far better than he is too. His ego/ mentality is potentially inflated due to the fact he’s Brazil’s number 9 but considering the options for the role at present are him or Jesus, two players with less than impressive strike rates, it’s a sign of the times at how Brazil have fallen.

    I’ve just never rated the guy full stop though. Years before we signed him I wasn’t a fan. Average player, average strike rate and with a penchant for diving. I’m personally struggling with the idea we could be heading into the season once the window’s shut with him as our first choice striker. Of the last 15+ or so years, I think he’s probably bottom three of who we’ve had, along with Soldado and Janssen (won’t include Campbell who was on loan).

    As for social media, I’d like to think clubs have people in place to make players aware that they won’t always read things they’ll like and are there to support them if they choose to stay on social media and get abuse/ criticism. My personal opinion on social media is stay off it if you can’t hack criticism/ abuse anyway, there’s a lot of positives to it but a cesspit of negatives.
     
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  5. The Huddlefro

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    I think it’s worth trying. Son had a poor last season but has proven over the years to be a very strong finisher off either foot.
     
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  6. Alfie Conn

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    I first saw Richarlison at Watford and couldn't believe Everton going for him , it must of been the wish of Marco Silva and we know how well that went, obviously I want him to do well but I just can't see where it will come from
     
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  7. Roo

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    yeah, you could well be right.
    It’ll be interesting to see how he deals with us signing a new striker, should we do so.

    If a new striker quickly climbs above him in the pecking order, personally I think he’ll want out/ a loan move. He’s not gonna want a season like last year, and certainly isn’t gonna want to sit on the bench.
     
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  8. humanbeingincroydon

    humanbeingincroydon Well-Known Member

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    So here's something that isn't unbelievably irritating in retrospect: I did a little digging and found that we were linked with Bissouma when he was still at Lille, not just in the summer of 2018 (shortly before Brighton signed him) but as far back as December 2017

    But no, we had to go all-out for Tanguy Ndombele...
     
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  9. PleaseNotPoll

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    We played well until the penalty, then wobbled for a bit before coming back as the half ended.
    Brentford could barely get out of their half after the break, though.
    The crowd was audibly rattled and got very frustrated when their passing wasn't working.

    711 passes to their 306 is telling, as is the 73% possession in the second half.
    We had 8 players make more passes than their highest player, which was Collins, a centre-back.
    The only real problem is that we weren't creating enough good chances.
     
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  10. PleaseNotPoll

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    This was an interesting idea from Son:


    Nice to see the away support getting some well-earned recognition. <ok>
     
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  11. The Huddlefro

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    I do think we hesitated a bit sometimes to pull the trigger. This was the case in preseason too, we sometimes looked for one pass too many around the box. Reminded me a bit of late Wenger-era Arsenal. Hopefully it’s mainly a confidence thing, none of our front 3 are exactly in form right now, and Skipp isn’t always the most comfortable player in forward areas.

    The rumours flying around do give a sense that we’re looking to address that though. Orban’s fundamentals look better than Richy’s based on what little I have seen, Eze would be tremendously expensive but gives us a great option at 8 or out wide, and names on the CB are less concrete but we clearly need another, ideally one comfortable on the left and right. Those, Bentancur coming back, and frankly just time, will hopefully show an improvement. Time is the biggest one though. We were far from perfect but would have walked off with a 2-0 history away from home if not for a soft pen and an unlucky deflection. Lots to work on but shoots of promise at this early stage.
     
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  12. Alfie Conn

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    What didn't help was two of our front 3 having no confidence what so ever , Richarlison made some bad shooting choices as did Son and the Brentford packed defence, if we had got the lead in the second half they would have needed to go looking for an equaliser which would have opened them up
    A fast direct inform striker is needed please Daniel
     
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  13. PleaseNotPoll

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    I think that the other major factor is that Brentford parked the bus very effectively.
    They're well drilled, know exactly what's required and are happy to work their arses off.
    Frank got fresh legs on to stay in the game and offer a new threat, but it only half-worked.
    They kept us out, but offered nothing up top as the time ran down.
     
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  14. Roo

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    thanks, PNP. Just goes to show how highlight reels can’t be trusted.
    A bit like those player highlights you see on YouTube…
     
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  15. humanbeingincroydon

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    TBH that might be Conteball muscle memory playing a part, given how often our players were taking more touches than necessary - which is why Solomon and Lo Celso stood out, as they hadn't had that drilled into them

    Likely explains the links to Eze and Brennan Johnson, too
     
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  16. redwhiteandermblue

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    It's yinz in my neck of the woods.

    This is the first season I'll enjoy in a while...Inshallah and the creek don't rise, anyway. I really like a team beginning a rebuild because the ratio of hope to expectation is so high. I loved Pochettino's first, crazy year. I even enjoyed Tim Sherwood's stint for it being the early days of Kane and Eiriksen.
     
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  17. humanbeingincroydon

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    I really don't understand why Thomas Frank is hailed as a progressive coach, considering his tactics really don't bear this out

    While Brentford aren't as married to busparquet as some teams, they are very much a counterattacking team, albeit a more direct counterattacking team than how our last three coaches set up their teams
     
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  18. PleaseNotPoll

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    I think it's more that Brentford are a progressive club, isn't it?
    They've used unusual scouting methods to punch above their weight.

    Frank's done a great job, but their style of play tends towards the Italian.
    They've got some very explosive players and score plenty of goals, though.
    Looks far better on highlights than it does watching the whole 90 minutes, in my opinion.
     
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  19. The RDBD

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    Against the teams in the top third of the PL,
    that is how their play will generally be perceived
    (what their loss stats are for those games is another story) .

    Against the rest they are likely to get a decent number of wins.

    So a system that ensures reasonable PL safety,
    but not enough to have significant success unless
    they get a Lesta "when the stars are right" .
     
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  20. The Huddlefro

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    IIRC they play a back 3 against possession teams and a back 4 against everyone else, so very much horses for courses. They’re not afraid to go direct though, especially when they have Toney. Nothing wrong with that.
     
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