This is the statement isued today by LFC: The Club this afternoon received notification from the Football Association of their decision to charge Luis Suarez and will take time to properly review the documentation which has been sent to us. We will discuss the matter fully with him when he returns from international duty, but he will plead not guilty to the charge and we expect him to request a personal hearing. Luis remains determined to clear his name of the allegation made against him by Patrice Evra. The Club remain fully supportive of Luis in this matter.
So Suarez will be charged with no actual video evidence and Terry will walk free with video evidence?
1731 FOOTBALL: Liverpool striker Luis Suarez has been charged with using abusive and/or insulting words and/or behaviour towards Manchester United's Patrice Evra during the game between the clubs at Anfield on 15 October, the Football Association has confirmed. Get the **** out of here with that ****, People shout abuse all the time at each other. Not anywhere in this do I see Racism which is what this was supposed to be about. The FA better walk a fine line with this because if they go through with it...
Where is the evidence against him? If there was evidence from tv film of the game it would have came to light by now,and if Evra's team-mates or manager witnessed it that also would be in the public domain by now. I can only guess that Suarez said to the FA that using the words "el negra" is acceptble in Uruguay and he assumed it was here also. Other than that i cant see how they can find him guilty as charged.
They have opened up a very large can of worms. This case now has to be heared without refernce to the Terry case which is good. The statement made by LFC is strong in the circumstances and I don't see either they or Suarez backing down. It really si going to get very very messy.
I remember a few days after the allegation was made Fergie saying in a tv interview that "Patrice said it happened so it did,because hes adamant it did and i believe him" I reckon your right with your points dave and yes its going to get very messy.
Do you think he asked for it by giving that interview in Uruguay 'I called him something his team mates call him' - up until that came out the FA hadn't acted and it's been a month. I read that Pacheco tweeted a black friend back home with the opening comment 'negrito, good luck....' It seems to be a word s americans use. I hope he didn't racially abuse him - where do you go from there?
if this is what he has been charged with, they better be ready for a slew of complaints from members of the public who witness a player swearing at another player - if this nonsense goes ahead, evra should hang his head in shame for having a player charged for swearing at him - why hasn't he complained about other players swearing at him as it can't be the first time it has happened - i'm sure some of his team mates have sworn at him during games - is he going to make complaints against them
Brazilians do the same, the black guys on our team were usually called "Negao" or Neginho , little black guy or big black guy. Also, that same term can be used as like a friend so say "fala negao" can mean speak big black guy, or it can be like a "hey guy". They really wanted to cover up Terry's use of it eh?
well if there's zero evidence.... ie no utd players willing to act as actual witnesses to back evra up... no tv evidence and no members of the public either and the only evidence is evra.... seeing the ref didn't state anyhting.... this will be interesting. if terry gets off with actual video evidence while suarez gets charged and s 3 match ban (thats the precidence given before) I think suarez could well sue. it'll be interesting. I think suarez should get a personal hearing and the accuser and witnesses should be examined in front of his representatives. if he's guilty lets see the thing done right.
Going by Suarez's own words he called Evra by a nickname his own team mates use,and that would'nt be anything to do with black or negra-negro-neginho or negao over here. If the Utd team shouted those words(nickname)at Evra during a game opposing players would have complained well before now about it. I can only think Suarez has admitted using language permitted in his home nation thats not acceptable here.
Just saying how things can get lost in translation but the fact of the matter is they have not produced any evidence, SUarez said "this word" 10+ times yet no one heard it, as you said no one called Suarez on anything, and it wasn't until after the game that Evra decided to do this not during.
I think the minute Suarez told his home press that he called him 'something' the FA jumped all over it - that's an admission by any standards! Now we need to know what is acceptable given cultural differences.
in more worrying thoughts, bbc (rumours - pinch of salt) says Liverpool's Luis Suarez is facing a minimum six-game ban after being charged by the FA with racially abusing Manchester United's Patrice Evra. Full story: Daily Mirror admittedly the mirror , but what sort of punishment could he be in for?
worse than that if hes proved to be a racist,but just because the 'sentence' for such a 'crime' is publicised it does'nt mean that those accused of the 'crime' are guilty before going to 'trial'.
Morning Dave, Innocent until proven guilty and all that **** - I aint going to come out and say Suarez is racist. However yey again, some of your lot on the joint thread calling for Evra to be punished etc, saying Evra is the real racist etc - FFS come on. You're right though this is going to get really messy
Why is it going to get messy? If anything it's going to get tidier than it has been. The FA will deal with it all in-house and none of us will hear anything besides worthless paper speculation until all is done and dusted. There won't be any comments from players or anyone involved for legal reasons.
1. the mirror are sensationalising it. that makes sense to sell papers 2. prededence already exists for 3 match bans. 3. we all want to hear the evidence and await it eagerly. 4. the FA have a responsiblty to be consistent and seen to be fair. if they heap different sentances on different people, are seen to accept differing levels of evidence.. or seen to sweep things under carpets or worse only reacting to public opinion and blatter's foot in mouth moments... well thats not good for the more important message. It is important to state clearly that our childhood hero John barnes was really abused like this back inthe 80s, as kids I for one didn't really notice but then I wasn't brought to games was I? Perhaps its vital now to point out how the situation has improved in the stands in this country where everyone can equally share in the games and its more family orientated... well if you keep oaway from the away end that is. Compare this to italy and other countries in europe. I would not bring my baby girl to a match in other countires still but here i could when she's old enough. It is this I want to see protected and if that means a 6 match ban for suarez and terry fine but equally if it requires innocent parties or parties with zero evidcne to be punished i think that says a lot about media sensationalisation. After all evra made no complaint till he went to french TV (no ref complaint) suarez is onto his home TV stations, our rag papers are all over it... it's a pity people would not deal with it in proper channels really.
It's got the potential to get messy as if Suarez if found guilty of the FA charge do you accept him and Liverpool to accept it ? They may or may not it depends on the information that these parties have which we don't. Suarez / Liverpool could drag this charge though the courts if they feel that strongly about it , hence the getting messy.
