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  1. Redprintt

    Redprintt Well-Known Member

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    The 'numbers'.

    600,000 say there is a legal way.
     
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    There aren’t £600,000 coming via legal routes
     
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    Is the 600k net migration figure is flawed ?
     
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    The only legal routes that have any numbers of worth are Hong Kong, Afghanistan, and Ukraine.
     
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    Will politicians admit the 600k that we know about is the reason we have a housing shortage ?
    The infrastructure we have can't sustain the ridiculous amounts of net migration.
    Building more and more houses is not the answer. Another 500 houses are planned on the edge of where I live adding to the 300 in the last 2 years. School times morning and afternoon are gridlock and another 500 homes is beyond belief.
     
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    I don’t have the answer but it’s much more nuanced than that. We don’t have enough properly affordable housing. People are living longer as well. More people live alone. That’s just a few off the top of my head.
     
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    yes but every embassy is a legal route as well .. oh BTW , the 3 countries you mention they apply properly for visa's [ most do ] those that fail then come here along with others that illegal
     
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    Both very true.. for those that do not understand how it works it is called progress......
    Start with a perfect scenario stable population not static but stable. Some houses need replacing modified as do utilities. CENSUS IS CARRIED OUT it indicates trends and a true population and the forward trend states will need this that and the other to accommodate the babies that will need families when they reach adulthood.
    short circuit the system by suddenly getting an influx of adults into the system who have not grown from babies here and the stability is lost, and a % of this influx will be of different minds will have no jobs or housing but still keep producing off spring and usually at a higher rate of the proverbial 1.7 to 2.3 children! Thus exasperating the situation in years to come . WE think it is bad now wait for all these immigrants to have families that in the reproductive cycle and a baby boom will sink the ship
     
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    If what you say is true, which I assume it is, how many come via Embassies? Maybe we could improve this as a way of making proper legal routes?
     
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    Not really much to do to improve something not broken, however most illegals have weak cases and embassy route is for those in need and deserve it [ deserve it might be wrong expression ] There is some places set up in other countries expessly for people who feel they are going to be victimized [ like civil war zones etc .. or maybe victims in famine lands ] IMO they should stand together for their rights and face up as our forefathers have done instead of running away LIKE Ukraine is doing now .... when the weak dont stand up the bullies win
     
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    Why are so many that come by boats illegally accepted when they do eventually get assessed then, many are legitimate cases, but have no legal route in , hence why they pay £thousands to come here illegally and dangerously?
     
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    they are not and choose that route because they know if they apply in their country or the country next door they will get tuned down many dont have any ID ... Watch the documentaries on the media asked where from no answer asked for ID no ID .. it is an answer you cant type in a few words it is something you fill a book with explaining everything.
    A lorry load of illegals were found on a lorry in France one who had been caught before answered the Border guards Q ... "you are from Pakistan/ Afghanistan?" which ever it was and said in perfect ENGLISH yes and answered a few other Q' s like how many times ..in the camp at etc? .. Border guard said funny that when I stopped you a month ago you were from "different" country had tried x times and were from such and such camp!
    Although they got advise to go to a special point to register they wouldnt because or didnt .. they had things to hide or other!
     
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    You pick examples of ones that obviously aren’t legitimate, I’ve already said ones that don’t have a valid case should be refused. However because there aren’t proper legal routes the legitimate ones are lumped in with them. It’s a bit like saying all football fans are hooligans, some plainly are but most are not.
     
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    You are stating the Embassy route isnt broken so don’t need fixing, I assume you are making that statement based on facts, so how many come via Embassies?
     
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    teachers union ....................

    The union had been re-balloting members on holding further strikes next term.
    The outcome of that ballot, also announced on Monday, saw 95% of members vote for further strike action, with a turnout of 53%. that was about half the total membership wanted to strike. of those that bothered to vote 1 in 37 said no
    But the NEU said it would not hold further strikes now that the pay offer has been accepted. ... what would they strike for its to much money!!!!
    The ASCL union accepted the offer earlier in July. Two other unions - the NAHT and NASUWT - have not yet announced their decision.
    there about 650, 000 FT teachers in UK so 2/3rds plus are in favour of no strikes
     
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    I really don’t understand why people are against setting up proper routes for asylum seekers, routes that are resourced and run efficiently and affectively.

    If we did we could legitimately refuse entry to ANYONE that comes here illegally on boats, back of lorries etc. we’d also know the numbers and could lobby to have the criteria changed if the numbers are getting too high. The alternative is what we have now, a free for all where we have absolutely no control over the numbers coming in, both legitimate ones and also ones that should never be allowed in, it’s madness
     
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    But we’d still have the lawyers and the pro asylum seeker charities crying foul if we try to remove people
    Think back as to just how long it took to remove the terrorist/hate preacher with the hook for a hand (Abu Hamza?) who was a real criminal

    How many battles did the Government of the time have to wage against the people and the flawed justice system who could see no wrong in what he did and what he stood for ?

    Now imagine how difficult it is to get rid of people who have no right to be here but have no known criminal record or past, but are from peaceful democracies such as India or Albania even if they have no papers and have been prepped to say they’re from Syria or Afghanistan and are also saying they’re gay, Christian or both, and will face persecution because of their religious beliefs or sexual preferences if they are returned to their homeland ?

    it’s almost easier to save the taxpayer money and say ‘ok you can stay’ and that certainly isn’t the answer the majority of the British public want to hear.
     
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    At least we’d know who was who, at present we’ve no idea as they’re all mixed together with no idea who’s who.
     
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    It would be like opening the turnstiles down AG at 1pm with no checks or anything and letting anyone in, no checking for tickets, and then being surprised at kickoff when there was bedlam in the stands where people with tickets couldn’t get to their seats because someone else was in it .
     
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    But that’s what I’m saying
    There has to be a lot of time wasted trying to determine who these aliens are let alone the lies their likely telling Border Force

    People coming here illegally that are told what to say and do as soon as they reach the Reception Centre are adding to the backlog in the hope that officials are actually trying to do their job and not waving people through rather than interrogate them and try and find out the truth

    As for the latest outcry of illegals being housed in Marquees rather than 4 star hotels with every amenity on hand rather than sleeping rough in northern France, it’s a shame the objectors don’t have anything better to do with their lives other than object, object and object some more

    I imagine they're also probably all supporters of Just Stop Oil and Greta Thunberg

    They are all just Professional Objectors to anything and everything they don’t like with a nasty side as soon as people disagree with their worthy views

    You only have to look at the latest screaming about North Sea exploration being allowed to restart even though in an energy crisis it’s absolutely the best thing to do. But no, whine whine whine despite the fact that the objectors have relied on oil based products for their entire lives and we cannot just stop overnight with our dependence on fossil fuels
    We all want a cleaner planet but some of the tactics being used are just the same as during Covid, which as time goes by is getting more and more exposed as lie after lie by worldwide governments and scientists
     
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