T(ear gas) In The Park (OT)

Oh yer! And everything is just fine and dandy with the liberal capitalist world that prevails today eh..I have full admiration for the protesters because however futile their efforts may be, at least they are doing something...
It is becoming more and more obvious to anyone who cares to look that the lberal free market economy is only beneficial to the elite, at the expense of the vast majority...

 

''Another one from Winston The inherent vice of capitalism is the unequal sharing of blessings; the inherent virtue of socialism is the equal sharing of miseries.''

Yes Capitalism is **** but Socialism is ****ter. It's a completely stupid thing to argue about anyway because pure capitalism and socialism are essentially hypothetical.

 

The lazy ****ers should get off their arses and get a job.

 

I love these protests, they're literally protesting against something that is pretty much impossible to change and getting people to support them!

 

I think I actually agree with the last part of your sentence...However, I do believe that capitalism has went way beyond the boundaries of what is good for global, national and local societies.
This might not be agreeable to everyone, but it is my opinion that Tony Blair just about got the right balance before he got embroiled in the American led invasion of Iraq..We had the fairest society that I have seen in my lifetime, and was a million times better than the Thatcher years which was basically a time when the British workers spirit was destroyed.

 

Aye. It's a commonly held view that Blair got the right balance with the 'third way'. And to be fair he might of, the problem with judging different economic systems as they are all faced with different social, and global economic issues. For example would Blair have been successful in the 70's etc. Can't really comment on the rest as it's your opinion and thats what politics is all about and why it is so interesting.

 

I feel that the increasing globalization of economic markets in contemporary society has seriously weekened the capabilities of nation-state governments...This was true of the Brown led Labour government who was destroyed by the global banking crisis, and is equally true of the current Tory/Liberal alliance which is suffering because of the current weakness of European and Western economies in comparison to the likes of China, India and Brazil...
It is my opinion that a form of global governance (with teeth) will be needed if the major problems such as inequality, destruction of the rain forests, global warming and over population is to be tackled...Whether this will ever happen is another matter, and as usual with mankind, will probably end up with mass conflict and war instead.

 

Haha

 

Well I think this thread has shown true human nature at it's worst.

 

What do you mean by that, I'm alright Jack!

 

All you lads, including you have proved how kind you can be.

Theres no shame in it & it doesn't make you a soft twat.

 

Billy's right...Deep down everybody on here is a twat...Apart from me of course..

 

Or a soft country or however you spell it.

 

Haha, LOL.

Cunnte, wasn't it?

Just jessing marra.

All the best to you.

 

My problem (and I am an American) is that these clueless protesters are railing against the corporations instead of the government that allows the tax breaks. Most of them fall into the more than 50% of Americans who end up without a tax burden at all, and the occupiers have no clue that these 1%ers pay something like 50% of the US' (can't remember sources at this time, saw it on a news special and will find the link if I can). Walking to my local Veterans' Day parade (similar to your Remembrance Day events), I ran into a bunch of the occupiers in San Antonio, Texas who started yelling at me to support them. Idiots, I was headed to the parade to support the REAL 99%, those who cared about their country and served it honorably. The sad thing is that 75% of our youth are not qualified to serve in the military because of fitness, drugs, or other reasons.

 

Would agree to an extent. My Dad is a doctor and a labour voter, he said he'd never seen the NHS is better condition than under Blair's Labour - yes The Daily Mail like to complain about waiting lists and MRSA, but they have short memories and forget the state it was in before now!

Blair helped promote social movement as well. His boost on education (though short-sighted - I'll come back to this) promoted further education for all. Though many who may not have gone to university otherwise, spent their time at polytechs doing an Art or an ology that would ultimately get them no-where, it gave them the choice and it made that choice simpler (2 things I think are vitally important in society).

The ways I think Labour fell down (aside from what you've already alluded to) was to essentially sweep everything under the carpet...

1) Credit spending...Allowing a worrying trend of credit spending, as individuals, as industries and as a nation. The country celebrated a rise in disposable income that we simply didn't have. Then acted like they were surprised when it all came crashing down. (Even as a 13 year old learning about The Wall Street Crash, I remember putting my hand up and asking "but isn't that what we're doing now?")

2) Public Sector Reliance...Labour needed to create jobs. Thatcher destroyed them and Major did little to replace them. We lost millions in the industrial sector and needed something. Creating new roles seemed like a fantastic opportunity. Whilst pumping billions into education, Labour could create jobs (Learning Support Assistants became huge post Blair) and no political party in the world could complain - who can complain about educating children? The problem was the public sector runs on private sector money, without the private sector, without manufacturing or production, we don't generate the money to allow the public sector to work...This is why we're currently running on a £50bn deficit, that's not being in £50bn of debt, that means spending £50,000,000,000.00 of money we don't actually have EVERY YEAR!

Now I'm by no means a politician and my knowledge of the subject is based purely on what I see on TV and read in the news. I don't know what labour could've done differently, but if our political system is so cutthroat that Government feel it is better to simply turn their back on problems until it is too big to ignore is the best policy, it is in need of major reform!?!?

 

you dont know what youre talking about. 50% of americans dont have a tax burden? as in dont pay taxes? by that logic that would mean close to 150 million people are either unemployed or underemployed.... which is a part of what the protests are all about. idiots. just learn a little bit please before you start bs'ing

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