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Dr Strangelove (how I learned to stop worrying and love Boris)

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  1. Sunderpitt

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    Or in addition, little Rishi thinks he will win more votes... by ditching 'green' policies
     
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    The thing is he will probably win over some voters by doing this, but it's all just words and no substance.

    The problem of being able to feed your family, heat your home or even pay rent/mortgage is a very real and serious issue for millions of people. If he is going to divert funds to help people rather than towards green policies I can see how people will be won over.

    However...the main policies mentioned are possibly delaying the ban on diesel and petrol cars (currently 2030) and delaying phasing out gas boilers (currently 2035). Neither of these will make a single bit of difference right now to people who are seriously struggling. He's just trying to say the right things to win over "the poor" and it comes over as desperation. There are plenty of other ways to raise money, just look at British Gas for example...

    What the government say and do are at complete polar opposites a lot of the time, hopefully most people will see this and not fall for more lies and bluster.
     
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    It's just further stoking of the culture wars. It's all they have when you consider their record on just about everything in government. I agree, there'll be a decent few that fall for it and convince themselves that it's the main issue facing them.
     
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    He is slow on this one. Labour ditched their sparkly new green policy weeks ago.

    Joking aside, both parties need to be bolder here. Labour had a good plan but seemed to have bottled it. Tories have a rubbish plan so I cant get up tight about it. There are some initiatives up for grabs on the green agenda, that will simultanously help family bills and boost economic output. Poltical advisors seem certain, we the public, dont want investment of this type. Should be a major political initiative right now, and is ripe for cross party collaboration, if only...
     
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    For any green policy to work it has to have cross party agreement, but yeah not likely to happen.
     
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    Unless we switch to a strategy of solutions rather than restrictions we're wasting our time and money on green initiatives.
     
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    Britain alone will not save the world. The initiatives and any strategies have to be worldwide.
    China and Russia have made huge strides to buy into African and South American countries which have resources both countries need for future development of their countries.
    Truth and politics do not go hand in hand, but it high time we were told the truth from our politicians what worldwide strategies are they working on.
    News reporters should be asking these questions when interviewing ministers.
     
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    They seem to just throw out plans and set targets without any real idea how it would work in the real world.

    Electric boilers possibly cost less to install but they cost a hell of a lot more to run. As for banning fossil fuel cars, there has been absolutely no thought for people who live in places where its not possible to fit a charging point. These are pretty big issues to iron out!
     
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    Yeah it does make you wonder what actually gets discussed at these world meetings!
     
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    Afte a decade of Ministers, and others, shrugging off climate change its absolute panic stations now <doh>
     
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    We have to invent new things, not stop people from using old. Make heat pumps better and cheaper, improve solar. Mr Fusion? :)
     
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    Yet the energy etc companies continue to make huge profits...just how effective and how much are the windfall taxes producing and how are they being applied to lower energy bills?
     
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    They are half baked and half arsed policies mate. Either do it properly, targeted properly, or dont do it at all. Big companies are making more and more money. I read about one smaller energy company in the UK having to stop UK operations because the windfall tax wiped them out here. Overall I think windfall taxes arent a great mechanism, but we seem to have made a horlicks of implementing something basic and crude.
     
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    That's because collectively government's talk the talk, but do little but talk.

    We have seen in the last few years, that the warning signs are there. Unfortunately it is not going to go away without our help.
     
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    Taking the pizz or what

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    I’m openly a Labour supporter but this is an embarrassing response from David Lammy.

    £100 - £200 a month is a lot for some people, I don’t have that spare a month currency. You can see why Labour lost out last week because of the ULEZ decision.

     
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    Man of the people. The only surprise is he didn't call the caller a racist.
     
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    It has been said, "Money goes where it is treated best"
     
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    And they wonder why they are detested by any normal person now.
     
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