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Transfer Rumours Summer '23 Transfer Thread

Discussion in 'Hull City' started by originallambrettaman, Apr 20, 2023.

  1. look_back_in_amber

    look_back_in_amber Well-Known Member

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    Yep, to be fair prior to his hamstring injury he looked to have real potential, unfortunately since his return he hasn’t looked the same player.
     
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  2. Tigerboy98

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    Why can’t we do dodgy things like every other club seems to do? Playing fair gets you nowhere in football, that should be obvious by now.
     
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  3. tigerscanada

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    It's what happens when someone swallows too many worms.<laugh>
     
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  4. Gone For A Walk

    Gone For A Walk Well-Known Member

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    I woudn't agree with signing Darlow on £25/£30k per week, that's silly money for us, but it's a FACT that we haven't half spunked an awful lot of money on players who have contributed next to nothing (or even literally nothing). All clubs will do the same to some degree, but we seem to have absolutely excelled at it this past year or so. What might have been eh if we'd used the headroom / money more effectively.
     
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  5. Ric Glasgow

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    If these figures are anywhere near accurate,the time can't be far away when young Harry Vaughan considers taking up joinery or plumbing...
     
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  6. Kalman

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    How does the EFL determine over-inflated sponsorship deals? If it was a company owned by the owner of the club like in the case of Sela sponsoring Newcastle (both owned by PIF), I’d see why it would be heavily scrutinised but Biscuit Man isn’t a shareholder at City.

    Ngl I think FFP on a whole hasn’t helped football. It’s like a flat-rate tax. It sounds fair in theory but in reality it’s just not.
     
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  7. originallambrettaman

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    While we have the parachute payment system as it exists currently, anything that limits what other clubs can spend is fundamentally unfair.
     
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  8. PLT

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    It's clear that we spent poorly last summer. We had a manager who was in the job because the owner knew him. Not a great start. We didn't really recruit to any particular design, just amassed a load of players that were available to us, in most cases thanks to our Turkish connections. There wasn't a style of play and so of course there was no focus on getting players to fit one.

    However, lessons were clearly learned last autumn. Rosenior obviously has a lot more influence than Shota did and as part of him becoming manager he seemed to get Acun and the club on board with his model of building us into a footballing side. A team not necessarily full of stars but of competent footballers who can play it on the floor and also scrap on the defensive side. In other words, the Brighton model. We are now recruiting to that design, and for the positions Rosenior has identified as needing improvement. It's a shame we weren't doing this a year ago when we had more money to spend, but we still have a fair amount of talent in the squad to show for last summers haphazard spending, as we saw in the second half of last season when Rosenior was able to turn them into a competent side achieving top half form, despite still having no attackers. We are going in the right direction.
     
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  9. PLT

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    FFP as a concept doesn't do anything to improve fairness. If anything it just locks the same top teams in to remain as the top teams forever, preventing upstarts from joining or even overtaking them.

    I suppose it has some value to stop owners from putting their clubs into trouble by spending more than they can afford, but I'm not sure that in practice it does a great job of that either.
     
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  10. balkan tiger

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    It must be a real pissa for a young lad trying hard and doing well to see loads come in and be on telephone number wages (according to some on here) for tossing it off basically.
     
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  11. Howdentiger2

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    How's it that much different from real life, youngsters/less experienced people in businesses tend to always earn less until they have built up the experience and or reputation/delivered results. At least in football a couple of months worth of decent games can change your life financially
     
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  12. SydneyTiger14

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    So then why did we pretend we were any chance to begin with? A huge waste of time if we seriously thought we could sign him for less than 1m and pay him 15-20k a week.
     
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  13. Ric Glasgow

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    Football and real life shouldn't be mentioned in the same sentence.

    My point was,and still is,Harry Vaughan would be better off fitting kitchens.

    'IF' he is being paid that kind of money and he's fully aware that we have players on up to 20X his salary,then it won't be long before he's looking to up stumps and go to another Club who will reward him for his effort
     
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  14. petersaxton

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    and TLT might think about taking up goalkeeping
     
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  15. Kalman

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    Stoke are about to splash £3.4 million on a new striker from the Hungarian top flight. Someone here said they run at a loss regularly but convert debt into equity to bypass FFP rules.
     
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  16. SydneyTiger14

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    They don't do that because ffp doesn't care if you have debt or equity, it's a p&l test.
     
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  17. petersaxton

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    parachute payments were needed when clubs had attempted to compete when getting promoted to the Premier League but still got relegated the next season
    now some clubs have decided to not spend much when getting promoted and they wont need to jettison players when relegated, eg Norwich, Burnley
     
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    How much time was wasted on it? It's not as if we've strung it along all window then been stung last minute with nowhere else to go, The club said they where interested which is true ( along with many champ clubs ) but the interest was dropped pretty quickly once the financial side of it became unrealistic ( as it was by most of the interested clubs ) and we've moved on.
     
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  20. petersaxton

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    Somebody like Vaughan wont want to jump too early and sign a long deal on better wages
    he can wait a few years to show how good he is and run down his contract so his transfer fee would be non-existent or not too high and get a good salary in the Premier League ala Bowen.
     
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