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  1. realred1952

    realred1952 Well-Known Member

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    THE EVIL that is Russia is becoming more desperate than ever, it has been found wanting and rather than say .. OK our invasion didnt succeed like the Crimea one so we will just take it on the chin and try politics .. they are like a kids who have had one put over on them so need to be revengeful of the event and start doing more and more evil / destructive against the other.
    They Lie 100 times more than Boris ! ...and must think the world is dumb saying they dont us the bridge for transporting weaponary or troops .. when last year / early this year a train was blown up with cruise missiles on it. Their latest toys out the pram is the grain shipments! they are using the bridge to attack the shipping area for Ukranian grain [ Odessa ] taking out warehouses and fuel depots used to refuel ships .... ultimately the purpose is ensure more of their grain is shipped... [ buyers seem to shy of buying Russian goods/ products associated.
    Listen up Putrid Ukraine is no push over they are gradually being supplied with more and more technically sound weaponary with longer ranges! but not to attack Russian main land but invaders on their territory. The Russian Navy needs Sebastopol Navy shipyard /docks for which they paid / pay a rent for. They also need it for winter time shipping as the ports in Russia up the azoz sea get frozen over .. serioulsy frozen over. One report [ third party via third party ] is that the Mariupol steel works had steel stocks of $bns ready to have been shipped world wide and paid for! it now has empty wharf's and used for bringing in war materials etc!
    The ammo dump blown up on Crimea looked quite massive if the picture published is correct and numerous after explosions would indicate there was a lot stored over a largish area. Is it a strategy of Ukraine ? damage the bridge .. put the sh**s up the holiday makers they all go home and others dont come! then blow up the ammo .. neatly hidden in a "training camp/" next attack will be the railway maybe when a military load is being transported .. this time whilst on the bridge!

    A number of cruise missiles get launched from Black sea ... now is that from international waters? If so can those ships be attacked [ by Ukraine ] by missiles launched from mainland / aircraft of Ukraine?

    Gtrain ships ... A NUMBER OF OWNERS FROM DIFFERENT COUNTRIES HAVE STATED they are possibly willing to risk the journey without the sanction of Russia .. MAYBE why Putrid is attacking Odessa area! What would be the consequence if a NATO country SHIP was destroyed, or even a non NATO world ship by Russia in international waters.
    there is 2 grain shipping agreements both say access through Bosferous permissions! ...
     
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  2. invermeremike

    invermeremike Well-Known Member

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    At some point in this whole horrible tragedy someone has to test Putin's resolve otherwise he will continue to commit more war crimes. This latest incident is typical of Putin because I believe that is as far as his warped mind can take him in his quest to recoup the USSR and the only obvious next move is unthinkable. Grain ships must be allowed to continue their vital shipments, with or without Putin's blessing, and they may need an international naval armada to meet them off the coast in the Black Sea to throw a spanner into the works. The passage of these ships, both merchant and military, through the Bosporus should be a matter of urgency for NATO and the E.U. in order to maintain the rightful passage of vital humanitarian food supplies to the rest of the world. Putin needs another bloody nose and the solidarity of the Western nations is needed more than ever if that is to happen and we can't sit on our backsides any longer because without a doorstep action as close to supposed Russian territory as is possible without actually invading Crimea we are tilting at windmills. Action now is crucial if we are to send a true message of our commitment to saving Ukraine without actual boots on the ground. Using the well known tactics of delay, delay and more delay as used by the Chump can only make the matters worse and so - do it now and face the consequences now rather than wait for common sense to arrive after it's too late. Read the bloody riot act and then follow it up with actions.
     
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  3. realred1952

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    just seen the pictures was a deliberate attack on the grain storage areas ... the west and the rest of the world really do need to wise up he is taking the p**s out of everybody, everybody should retaliate and send a protection vessel to the black sea.

    I think the Black seaarea near the bosphorous is pretty shallow .. maybe only 40 foot deep but deep enough for a submarine? .. or 2 to sneak in Russia has fired cruise from submarines from sea of AZOZ so have them there ... Imagine 40 war ships in the Black sea ... OK Putrid bring it on! ...
     
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    invermeremike Well-Known Member

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    We're on a similar wavelength here and I totally agree we need to step to the pot and p*ss on Putin's parade because, as you rightly said, he he taking us for a serious urination. The vast majority of the Black Sea is international water and as such I think we need to pull Vlad's plonker and put heavy vessels in the area and see what he will do with such rightful action. Letting him continually impose terror on Ukraine can no longer be left unattended in the "to do file" because we must show up for the dance dressed in sheep's clothing and just wait for his reaction but based on past occasions I suspect he will issue lots of threats with very little action.
     
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    The evil continues that is now 6 consequent days Evil Putrid has condoned attacks on Odessa none of them really military targets mostly the dock used solely for grain transhipment and civilian infra structure. The latest is the world heritage Cathedral [ most of Odessa is World Heritage we saw what Russia supported in destroying in Iraq! ] his attacks here are to ensure that Russian grain gets more attention to purchasers!!! No GRAIN leaves Ukraine without a payable order being invoiced. The worlds purchasers are ignoring Russian grain in favour of Ukranian ... a subtle in some cases support of sanctions?
    5 different missile types used last night from land sea and air hopefully the extra patriot system will soon be employed for Odessa. The Kerch bridge has been identified officially as a legitimate target.. due to Russia transporting supplies to Crimea. It has long been known that Ukraine has many eyes in the occupied areas, [ last year well 2020 a story was ran about a certain lady passing on info, it was to be her only priority as a civilian... but joined up a few months later! ] Crimea is getting a pasting... OK not a massive one but subtle ones. Russian holiday makers who usually go their in their droves from May to September are looking for alternative places to go and there are not many without travelling abroad. Now how many will learn the real truth if and when they do especially if to Mediterraen destinations.... not much sea sun and sand for poor Russian kids to enjoy!!!! over the next 2 months.
    ALL this must have start to have an affect on the population, more and more families will get the letter or visit ............" I am sorry Mr and Mrs Molotovski your son/ husband / father / next of kin has been killed in action fighting for the motherland in Putrids demented attack on our neighbours Country. He doesnt really care a s*** but you will get a small pension to compensate for your loss"
     
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  6. invermeremike

    invermeremike Well-Known Member

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    Putin doesn't give a rat's arse about who gets killed and that includes his own people. How many real Ukrainians still live on the Crimean Peninsula and would they be the ones committing acts of reprisal against Russia? Crimea needs to become a no-go area for all Russians fearing for their lives and especially the bloody tourists. Start hitting the civilian holiday areas real hard and they will stay away in droves which could allow repatriation of the whole area by infiltration from the north. The Odessa bombardment and the obvious target of food supplies is typical Putin and looks like continuing for the future despite the clear fact that it is listed as a war crime to deny access to necessary food products. The Russians have starved out Ukraine in past history and were never sanctioned but now it is clearly evident that Putin chose his re-formation of the USSR to start with what is undoubtedly the jewel in the crown based on the "bread basket of the Soviet Union" not being a member of either NATO or the EU. I always thought that his path of mayhem would start in the Baltic but they were smart enough to see the terror that Russia could release and joined NATO to protect themselves which begs the question as to why Ukraine didn't do the same? How I wish all Russians could learnt the real truth about Putin and his "special operation" and find out that thousands are dying and being maimed by his thuggery, and that includes young men of his country. I believe that thousands of Russians are vacationing in Turkey where surely the real truth is readily available through the local media, unless it is censored by Turkey, and has to lead to questions by Russians, but maybe when they find out they may be too scared to return home and spread the bad news. What a horrible world has arrived in the last few years and the battle for democracy continues unabated and the scariest thing for me is that it isn't even religious based hatred, just pure loathing and personal glorification. Come on Russians wake up to the real world and get rid of this Hitleresque monster before he destroys everything including you and your country.
     
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    A large number of of the population on crimea are just keeping their heads down and "pretending to be RUSSIAN PATRIOTS as they would have lost everything .. but at the moment they still have their homes and land !!
    The news in Turkey does follow the ERDOGAN! what he does and says most of the people do as well [ well 51% who voted and probably about another 10+ million as well!
    Turkey at this time of the year has about 1,000,000 europeans holidaying? so ANY RUSSIANS ABLE TO GET A HOTEL WILL BE IN THE MIX... also a great number of Russians speak English as do roughly 1,000,000,000 others so will get into dialogue and many kids will be in exchanges and queying their parents or teachers when they get back home!
     
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    realred1952 Well-Known Member

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    drone attacks on Moscow ...false flag to give credence to their actions elswwhere like attacking the grain silos at ODESSA.
    Putrids overnight speech was aimed at clarifying he didnt need to have the grain deal instead Russian grain production has stepped up and will have loads to sell in the autumn even giving some away for free.
    APPARENTLY his "ships cant get insurance for docking in certain areas / ports that is one of the things he wants the sanction lifted on .. otherwise his grain is stuck?

    "Russian President Vladimir Putin now says his country "is capable of replacing the Ukrainian grain both on a commercial and free-of-charge basis, especially as we expect another record harvest this year".

    I think the world must see all this premeditated planning unfurling by Putrid to continue what he intended with his "special operation" that was intended to have lasted just a few weeks! DESTROYED Mariupol steel works and stole all the steel ... has now destroyed a dam that was important to agriculture growing wheat etc off the Dnipro 000.000's of tonnes .. is now trying to destroy the custom made ports for grain export so that Russia gets to be the world number one in grain exports to the world ...cynical and evil .. time to form a new UNITED NATIONS ME THINKS with no veto to stop action by a member to veto a sanction/ action against it.
     
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    getting b older with his attacks now attacking grain storage 200m from ROMANIA .. and destroying grain storage buildings in a 4 hour attack
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    The facilities are just across the river from Nato-member Romania.
    The Danube is a key export route for Kyiv since Russia pulled out of a deal allowing Ukraine to ship wheat, corn and other products via the Black Sea.
     
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    invermeremike Well-Known Member

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    How long will it be before one of these missiles intended to destroy food, and infrastructure aiding it's distribution, goes slightly off course forcing a major decision to be made by the West? The stakes are getting higher by the day and, with Putin deciding to up the ante by destroying as much of the possibility of future grain shipments as he wants, we are getting into a much more dangerous situation. Odesa for the most part was off the radar for attacks but now it seems Putin has a plan to increase attacks right across the map and to hell with any significance of the area to Ukraine. NATO needs a major presence in the Black Sea, no matter what Russia thinks, because every day we are getting closer to the point of no return when the decision to respond can no longer be avoided. How does Turkey feel in this whole ordeal because entry to the Black Sea travels exclusively through their land mass and must therefore be of extreme importance to them? Erdogan has always appeared to be a lover of Russia but surely even he can see the crisis facing the entire European continent and the undeniable fact that the Black Sea could easily become a battleground for victory. Putin would be pissed in the extreme if his supposed Turkish brother was the catalyst in accepting major naval hardware to defeat Russia but in all reality that is what it will take if we are to stand any chance of stopping this senseless war. At some point the nose to nose threats will increase but we have to stand firm and united to take this monster down and hopefully put him out with the trash to be sent to the dump.
     
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    It’s getting more complicated and dangerous by the day. I don’t see an end to this, even best case scenario something happens to Putin, who’s to say whoever takes his place isn’t going to be even worse than he is. It’s all very worrying.
     
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    It all seems to be taking the identical path that led to WW2 when, like today, the world essentially looked the other way truly believing Hitler's claims that he had no intention of more territorial demands - and look at how that worked out! Russia is a country built on the premise of making war even at the expense of their own country's demise in the face of other and more sympathetic nations. The Soviet Union was always made up of subdued socialist republics that led their daily lives under the boots of the KGB (Putin's employer at the time) and any democracy vanished up the communist drainpipe. Corruption combined with money and power grabbing ruled the day and anybody who argued differently than the latest communist manifesto faced harsh penalties (like Navalny and many others), including falling off many balconies and hospital windows. At some point soon we (The West) will have to face the fact that Putin will never accept defeat, either in politics or wars, and so I hope we have all our collective ducks in a row to face the biggest crisis of the century, so far. I believe very strongly that if push came to shove we have the capability, along with our allies, to put a serious dent in Putin's ambitions, however the nuclear option is always on the table when you are dealing with a psychopath with no morals. I strongly condemn any countries that are currently not on board with this fight for democracy and the top of my list are India and South Africa who recently held joint naval exercises with the Russian Navy and Indian military. We need to face the fact that the world is in serious danger of a nuclear conflict in Europe unless this war is stopped before Putin ups the ante by targeting more residential infrastructure creating a strong chance of some kind of deliberate accident to see how we respond. Never take a backward step and never believe a word of what Putin says because despite firm reassurances he broke the rules every time. Any successors might be our worst nightmare and you only have to mention the name Prigozhin to know what I mean. Sanity is a rare commodity in world politics but the need for greed is rife on our planet and will remain until everybody wakes up and smells the roses. So very sad for us all and long live Ukraine.
     
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    a rule was invoked when the war started that prohibitted any war ships from fleets not based in the Black sea were not able to use the Bospherous even ships from Russia's Atlantic fleet or others .. it stops us from entering as it does USA!
    Putrid used Iranian drones against the grain 200m from Romania [ someone ought to blow up the factory making them ] they used 15 in total in 4 hours of attack but only 3 were shot down .. not expecting this area to be attacked ?? so very little air defence ...
     
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    I didn't know about the decision on the Bosporus not to be used in this conflict and I find it somewhat disappointing. Who came up with the idea of shipping restrictions and even more importantly who was asked for their opinion? Bollocks to the rules let's just start lining up the cannons against this lunatic in the kremlin and tell him once and for all that we won't put up with his lying murderous ways any longer than now. Do we actually have any ships close to Russia because the only other potential is up in the Gulf of Finland where we could get really close without breaking international rules, especially if you consider the threats Putin will throw from his pram if we were to up the ante by seaborne threats against him. The news has gone real quiet and I suspect the West is keeping it's powder dry not to alert Russia of any intended action, which is quite acceptable by any standard but I so want to see us start hitting back with all we have. There has to be an end game for Nato as continually sitting on the sidelines can only work short term before politics may interfere with the desire to continue to help Ukraine amid rising costs and very few really positive results. We all want to see Russia and Putin defeated and now we know that the vaunted Russian Army has been proven to be incapable of getting out of a wet paper bag and so perhaps we need to step up and be counted. Should this war continues into next year the U.S. Republican Party will do everything possible, during the election campaign, to stop supplying Russia with military support and if they should get elected then it will totally stop giving anything. Imagine the U.S.A. leaving the field despite it's NATO commitments because I believe that could lead to many others losing the will to fight on against surmounting odds, just as Putin wanted us to do. Then he will focus his attention to some other poor ex-Soviet state that won't get any support from anybody and the massacre will end quickly with a massive loss of life. Bad news all around I'm afraid.
     
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    Slightly off topic, I had no idea that Unilever (who make the likes of Marmite, Dove and Ben & Jerrys ice cream) are still selling their goods in Russia despite most other western companies having left ages ago in protest.
    So it’s come to light that Unilever have paid Russia £33m in tax which is aiding Putin
    Disgusting
    Russian employees of Unilever, some 3000 people could now be conscripted into the Russian army !
     
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    invermeremike Well-Known Member

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    I'm on board with that sentiment angelic and obviously money is more important to Unilever. Shameful in my book so perhaps a boycott of their products in England might be appropriate. <steam>
     
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    Trouble is Unilever is massive and many of their products are not obvious
     
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    Their list of products is vast
    Aside from the ones I mentioned they also provide
    Domestos
    CIF
    Cornetto
    Bovril
    Hellmans Mayo
    Colmans
    Comfort
    Knorr
    Lifebuoy
    Maille
    Carte D’or
    Lynx
    Persil
    Pot Noodle
    Sure
    Surf
    Tres Semme
    Vaseline
    Vienetta
    Magnum
    Simple
    Etc
     
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    imagine for years they had a place at end of WEST TOWN LANE on A4 selling SOAP POWDER!
     
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    False Flags?...................... accompanied by a oic like this!

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    It comes after Russia said on Friday it had intercepted two Ukrainian missiles over its southern Rostov region, bordering Ukraine.

    Moscow said 15 people were hurt by debris falling in the southern port city of Taganrog.
    The Russian defence ministry said the first S-200 missile was aimed at "residential infrastructure" in the city of around 250,000 people.
    Shortly after, it said it downed a second S-200 missile near the city of Azov, with debris falling in an unpopulated area.
    Rostov region Governor Vasily Golubev said 15 people suffered "light injuries" from shards in an explosion near the "Chekhov Garden" cafe in central Taganrog.
    Taganrog is located on the coast of the Sea of Azov and about 25 miles (40km) from the border with Ukrain
    The city is also on a road leading to the port city of Mariupol, the strategic port city devastated by Russian shelling.

    VERIFY the new arm of the BBC! what will they make of this?.. strange how all these "attacks on Russia ARE S - 200 's RUSSIAN STOCK! not any of the 4 or 5 different ones supplied to Ukraine. A few pages available on the evil attacks of Russia on the grain stores on the Danube suspect NATO will reinforce the boundary there with Romania a c oouple patriot systems ... I mean they dont want these "so called deadly accurate" Russian missile that always seem to hit innocent targets!!! Landing in Romania, in that area a heavily populated one ... and sparking a response!
     
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