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Discussion in 'Queens Park Rangers' started by Stroller, Jun 25, 2015.

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Should the UK remain a part of the EU or leave?

Poll closed Jun 24, 2016.
  1. Stay in

    56 vote(s)
    47.9%
  2. Get out

    61 vote(s)
    52.1%
  1. Wherever

    Wherever Well-Known Member

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    It’s a good job we left the EU have you seen how hot it is there
     
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  2. Stroller

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    Yeah, that's nonsense - so it's all made up.

    Do you really think climate change is fake?
     
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    I think has quite a large degree of sensationalism.
    And as I said earlier, and it just my opinion, it’s being used as a tool to scare us and point us to a direction that those in charge want us to go and be controlled.
    Just my opinion as a “denier”
     
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    I’ve missed you Tob :emoticon-0115-inlov
     
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  6. Stroller

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    That makes me sad.
     
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    It’s just opinions mate….much worse to get upset about
     
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  9. Toby

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    You seem quite busy with your climate change denial and pro-GBNews stuff, didn't want to disturb <ok>

    Any more pro-Russian propaganda you want to pretend you want answers to?
     
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  10. Goldhawk-Road

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    No, I'm not a climate change denier. But I think the media exaggerates. Last year, the UK's climate had transformed into the Sahara. This year, we're getting used to carrying umbrella's again. If we have weather like 1976 next year, the media will go into overdrive again. Southern Europe has always been hot. Slight increases in max temperatures suggest a slow change upwards.

    Farage does have a lot of fans, so on your assessment, we have a large part of the population with self- esteem issues. The rest are presumably confident in themselves but frustrated by Farage's continuing successes.

    The concept of the adverse influence of Jewish international bankers was surely introduced by the Nazis. "Globalist" may have been an antisemitic trope but its meaning appears to have broadened since to all MNC's that wield influence over national governments or political unions like the EU.
     
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  11. kiwiqpr

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    damn
    there goes my volcano theory


    How Much CO2 Does A Single Volcano Emit?
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      For billions of years, geological processes like volcanic eruptions controlled the carbon concentration in the atmosphere, as volcanism is the major way that carbon rises from the mantle into the atmosphere. Most of the carbon stored in the mantle is in the form of carbonate (a salt of carbonic acid), but there are also huge stores of actual carbon dioxide sequestered deep within the mantle as a dissolved gas within the liquid rock. Recent research about carbon reserves discovered underneath the United States has led to a new estimate of the amount of carbon in the Earth's upper mantle: approximately 100 trillion tons. By contrast, there are only about 3.2 trillion tons of CO2 (containing about 870 billion tons of actual carbon) in the atmosphere today.

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      Yes, we've accurately measured and estimated the amount of carbon dioxide that humans have been adding to the atmosphere through our burning of fossil fuels, but it's vital to know what the natural rate of CO2 emission is to understand the impact humans are having. Humans emit around 29 billion tons of CO2 each year: a little less than 1% of present atmospheric CO2. We tend to think of erupting volcanoes with active, smoking plumes as the biggest source of carbon dioxide, and Mt. Etna is not only a classic example, it's one of the most reliable volcanoes of all. If anyone ever bets you, "which major volcano do you think might erupt this year," bet on Mt. Etna.

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      We can measure the degassing of Mt. Etna extremely well, and find that it adds about 16,000 tons of CO2 to the atmosphere each day, or 5.8 million tons per year. This might not sound impressive, but it's only one volcano. Interestingly, it's not just smoking, actively erupting volcanoes that emit CO2, but seemingly inactive volcanoes around arcs and rift zones. Persistent degassing still occurs around a great number of volcanoes worldwide, on a continuous basis.

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      Hundreds of active and dormant volcanoes worldwide, like the ones shown here in Kamchatka,... [+]

      COSMONAUT FYODOR YURCHIKHIN / RUSSIAN SPACE AGENCY PRESS SERVICES
      A tremendous synthesis of information took place in 2013, revealing our best value yet for the total amount of CO2 emitted from natural release events within Earth. They found:
      • 33 measured degassing volcanoes emit a total of 60 million tons of CO2 per year.
      • There are a total of ~150 known degassing volcanoes, implying (based on the measured ones) that a total of 271 million tons of CO2 are released annually.
      • 30 historically active volcanoes are measured to emit a total of 6.4 million tons of CO2 per year.
      • With ~550 historically active volcanoes total, they extrapolate this class of object contributes 117 million tons per year.
      • The global total from volcanic lakes is 94 million tons of CO2 per year.
      • Additional emissions from tectonic, hydrothermal and inactive volcanic areas contribute an estimated 66 million tons of CO2 per year, although the total number of emitting, tectonic areas are unknown.
      • And finally, emissions from mid-ocean ridges are estimated to be 97 million tons of CO2 annually.
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      Add all of these up, and you get an estimate of around 645 million tons of CO2 per year. Yes, there are uncertainties; yes, there's annual variation; yes, it's easy to get led astray if you think that Mt. Etna is typical, rather than the unusually large emitter of CO2 that it is. When you realize that volcanism contributes 645 million tons of CO2 per year – and it becomes clearer if you write it as 0.645 billion tons of CO2 per year – compared to humanity's 29 billion tons per year, it's overwhelmingly clear what's caused the carbon dioxide increase in Earth's atmosphere since 1750.

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      In fact, even if we include the rare, very large volcanic eruptions, like 1980's Mount St. Helens or 1991's Mount Pinatubo eruption, they only emitted 10 and 50 million tons of CO2 each, respectively. It would take three Mount St. Helens and one Mount Pinatubo eruption every day to equal the amount that humanity is presently emitting.

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      The Earth's mantle is full of trillions of tons of carbon alone, and if even a small percent of it were added to the atmosphere, it has the potential to be absolutely catastrophic for the planet. But given the scales of the eruptions we actually have, less than a billion tons are emitted per year thanks to volcanic activity: a small enough amount that our planet can sequester roughly the same amount on a per-year basis.

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      If not for the influence of humans, the climate and carbon dioxide concentrations would be stable. Rising CO2 is a problem that we're actively causing, and if we want to fix it, that's up to us, too.
     
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  12. Goldhawk-Road

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    Yawn... Lost me when Jobbie appeared. Farage ****s on an international bank from a height and the Left come out in support of misunderstood bankers with its usual propaganda about what Farage sang when he was a schoolboy. :emoticon-0100-smile

    Immigration is causing most of Europe to move to the right politically. Farage is mellow in comparison but does advocate the Australian solution to illegal immigration, to turn the boats around. He may ultimately be right.
     
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  13. Toby

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    So banks are 'woke' now too? Who isn't 'woke'? You're running out of people to throw that label at.

    There's an easy solution to the boats problem. Open up an immigration centre in Calais. Minimal cost and would ensure only people that are legally allowed to come here will be accepted. If we hadn't left the EU the Dublin rules would still be valid, but that's easy to forget when we're drowning in Brexit benefits.

    You seriously misundertood the 'apology' issued by Natwest. That's just pure PR. They never offered to reinstate his account, they just politely told him to **** off in PR-speak.
     
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    It's the same people that are woke each time. Middle class, often wealthy, metropolitan types that operate out of Islington or the like and have nothing to do with the rest of the country except to cross it to reach their second home at holiday time.

    Figures on the Dublin Regulation shows the benefit was negligible. We do need to make clear the legal routes of migration into the UK, but currently we've been pulling our weight with incomers from HK and Ukraine. I doubt the people of Calais would be happy with legalising the camps there, and the proximity to the Channel would encourage failed applicants to take the illegal route in a dinghy. So, a crazy idea.

    Banks don't give apologies quickly and publicly very often. It's a measure of the damage it's doing to Nat West's reputation worldwide that they have done so. You seem to think it's the end of the matter. It's not. There are serious questions the Bank has to answer, like whether Rose gave confidential information about Farage's account to the BBC journalist when she sat next to him at dinner.
     
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    Not really. At least you will have centrists like me who would be happy with the treatment doled out to illegal immigrants who are trying to get here illegally.

    Right now without a means to seek asylum, i can't blame them for coming over. If they have failed and still sneak over, i'd be far more comfortable stuff like the rwanda plan
     
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    Good grief. I didn't know you were such a supporter of human rights. Welcome to the dark side. You say it's about free speech. If so, it has not shut him up as we still listen to the same old garbage from him.

    Nigel says his politics are the reason. Possibly. But in that case why have they waited so many years before sending him packing. It could also be that he does not satisfy the eligibility criteria as the Bank maintain. If, as a matter of fact, they are correct are they within their rights to send him elsewhere for his banking needs?
     
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  18. Goldhawk-Road

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    There will be an official investigation into de-banking individuals. Ever heard of Refinitiv? It's an intelligence firm used by banks to investigate the (perfectly legal) social media posts of customers to ensure these comply with the particular ethos of the bank. If they don't, then de-banking occurs without explanation.

    Banks are licensed to offer financial services to customers to aid them in their personal and business lives. If they start behaving like the Stasi that made checks to ensure conformity with Communist Party rules, then they either lose that licence or the board is sacked.
     
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    Well we're all ****ed on here then
     
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    I was talking about the powerful that control the system. No disrespect to you, Bobby.
     
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