You not think it's just rusty players? My recollection is that rosenior was saying last season to only play out when it's on. If the press is already drawn then the space is further forward. After all that's the point in playing out. If they are already fully pressed then it's not on and it needs to go forward. That's the whole point of the tactic.
I realise this debate is dragging on and getting boring. But, just to say, to my mind, it really is as simple as you state above. ('defender' changed to 'player', as we regularly see it done to defenders and midfielders). For those saying 'oh it was just TLT / a junior keeper - it wasn't. Ingram did it too. I honestly don't understand what there is to argue about. Anyway, GFAW .....
It's a confidence game a lot of the time. Having 4k fans on your back when trying to do as asked isnt gonna help that, and results improved when they switched back. Why do you think every away side tries to unsettle the home crowd?
As I posted ..... Man City can do it because they've had time and because they have pretty much the best players in the country in every position on the pitch (and on the bench too). Having said that, some sides do.
we only did it for about 3 games didnt we, with a mentality like that, no wonder seri didnt make it in the pl
Is that a serious comment? I've never argued we shouldnt pass it forward. I have said we shouldnt pass it to somebody on the edge of the area when they are marked the goalkeeper should never have passed to a player in that position
No we/they shouldn't. You think Rosenior is telling them to only pass others into trouble? That isn't what playing out is for. It's to create space further up the pitch but you need to get pass selection right and know where your out balls are. Inexperienced keeper and not having the run telepathy in a side with Tetteh who's been out for ages and a new signing playing their first game up top - it's always going to be disjointed. Yesterday was about minutes in legs for as many of the squad as possible. Nothing more.
I was trying to say, seemingly unsuccessfully, that people have come out and said we want to play the Pep way. When you have teams in banks of 4 beyond the halfway line its a bit easier to play out from the back, the Pep way. Then it comes down ti personnel and the ability to deal with the press. We haven't got the personnel and we dont get the space because teams recognise thats what WE ARE TRYING TO DO... so for Brentford and Brighton for me its a combo of manager and personnel. As for Burnley, in the prem', likely not!!!
play what way? play it out from the back or mess about at the back by passing to marked players 20 yards out and right in front of goal?
Because we didn't play that way under Shota and were a shambles defensively and still struggled to create.
playing out from the back isnt to create space further up the pitch - it is to keep controlled possession passing around at the back is to create space further up the pitch unfortunately when we try to pass around at the back we pass to players already marked it's even riskier when they are right in front of our own goal
Point of order to your point of order, from the East Stand I shout 'geddit up the ****ing pitch'. The views expressed in my posts are not necessarily mine.
you dont seem to be differentiating between the problems caused earlier by not defending properly when our opponents attacked and the problems caused later when we messed around in front of our own goal before we abandoned the suicide passes we also brought in McLoughlin who had been inexplicably left out - or was it because they wanted to play Greaves in his best position?
It's to draw the press. Drawing the press creates space behind. It's clear we haven't been finding the space behind that effectively but it's hardly a surprise when you consider availability of wide players and forwards. We did find that space pretty well in the second half last night with different personnel. Yesterday was indeed a game of 2 halves. The only thing that didn't change at half time was the tactics.
