I think you're misunderstanding my confusion. I'm aware of that incident, I just don't see the relation to a completely legal passage of play. It'd be like Henry scoring a goal from a pass back or from an advantage and someone saying "Yeah well remember that handball against Ireland!!"
Oh I get it . No I’m really reflecting a win at all costs mentality. Some would say we should have it too - do like the others do , but if this was a common occurrence all nations would probably have done it by now - but i don’t hear they have - so if it’s following the rules but forgetting ‘ fair play ‘ then it’s not for me. I was suggesting it’s another disappointing incident involving the same team , maybe having two cheats in the team just might have made Carey or Cummins reflect before doing or accepting it. I accept that the enhanced situation was heightened / critical and maybe that influenced the event . I wouldn’t like to think I won by doing that it would feel false , but these days there’s few morals anywhere, we accepted cheating and diving in footie , why not in every other sport .
The last line of Henry Newbolt's poem is viewed to have several meanings...from "Do whatever you need to do to win" to "Play fair". There's a breathless hush in the Close to-night— Ten to make and the match to win— A bumping pitch and a blinding light, An hour to play and the last man in. And it's not for the sake of a ribboned coat, Or the selfish hope of a season's fame, But his captain's hand on his shoulder smote "Play up! play up! and play the game!"
It was that laissez faire, nothing to really be uppity about, that in the 140 year history of Lords, no member has ever been excluded.* Expletives and finger pointing? At Lords? Wot? In the cheap seats by the peasants? No. From the members. Good Lord, really? The only visible display of disgust that I can remember is the silent treatment afforded to a certain I T Botham returning to the stand after a duck. That was 1981. Yes, yes, it was a valid stumping, but Stuart Broad nailed it - that's all you be remembered for. The real problem was, on the same pitch, were the sandpaper twins. Both had a good blub on telly, served a few months ban, and back to the fold. The poor young kid who was their patsy, never heard of him since. And please do not compare football to cricket. Week in, week out, game on game, ****housery. Taking one for the team, professional foul. The two phrases I would definitely want on my card playing commentary bingo. *With a waiting list of approximately 29 years, successful candidates will be given an opportunity to become an Associate Member before becoming a Full Member of MCC.
I'm really not sure what you're on about my entire point was the two incidents are entirely unrelated and were committed by different players so the connection makes no sense.
Blatant cheating, ball tampering while playing South Africa. Apart from a few boos when they came out to bat, Smiths and Warners involvement has remained a scratch to itch when playing in England. The catalyst for the whole ground, Lords, to break into a chorus of, same old aussies always cheating, was the stumping. The itch was finally scratched. Different people, totally different events. But Australian. That is the connection. Same old, always cheating.
Except it wasn't cheating so there's that I guess. It's also a tactic Bairstow himself has attempted which makes the whole thing even stranger.
For the Aussies, it's not really 'win at all costs' which itself goes against the ethos of a sporting contest, it's a fear of losing, which makes it cowardice.
Carey didn’t cheat. Cummins didn’t cheat. What Carey did was an act of, in footballing parlance, ****housery. It was underhand and unsporting and if that’s the way the Aussies want to play then that’s up to them. Both umpires need sacking because they didn’t have the balls to stand up to the ****housery by turning down the appeal as they both, clearly, thought the ball was dead. As Sir Geoff stated we don’t want cricket to descend into a state of one-upmanship and perpetual underhandedness like football has. It doesn’t state anywhere in the laws that you applaud an opposition batsman when he scores a century but that’s what happens because of the spirit of the game. How long before that practice of good sportsmanship disappears? I was always taught that if a batsmen( usually the non facing batsman ) is leaving his crease too early give them a warning, you don’t run them out. It’s win at all costs for this Aussie team though, that combined with the sneering, snarling, nastiness of them makes them utterly despised by most English cricket fans. Which brings me into my next point. Mark Taylor and, dare I say it, Ricky Ponting come across as very likeable, highly knowledgeable blokes. The ex England pundits seem to think so and as such I wonder if that clouds their judgement of this Australian team. They never go really call them out or go at them when they start to play up. Morgan and Stauss’ comments after the incident were very much for the Aussies, Morgan’s in particular. They couldn’t see anything wrong with it at all. I’m not sure that they realise that the vast majority of English cricket fans have very little or no respect for this Aussie team but loathe them due to their histrionics and overall poor behaviour. There isn’t another team that comes close. In summary; I don’t think Cummins or Carey will be remembered as cheats, just a pair of underhand ****houses. I doubt they’ll care one bit, it’s the Aussie way.
Didn't good old Baz once get someone out whilst they were celebrating their century? Think I heard that today. But of course it's just the Aussies who partake in such dastardly practices.
When he played for New Zealand, who are well respected and liked over here because they, as a rule, play the game in the right spirit.
Very much agree, the umpiring in this series has been poor. No balls?, what is a catch?, when can a fielding side have a substitute fielder?, when is the ball dead?. No self respecting umpire ever turns his gaze away from the field of play until the ball is dead. The bowler can wait a few seconds for his cap. None of those officiating in the last Test should stand again until they have completed and passed a refresher course. I hope the Aussies reap what they sow. Try doing that again at Headingly.
