I knew these people would be sharp to start passing the buck. I'll be amazed if the lawyers don't go after the Canadian authorities. "Voice recordings and other data will be reviewed as part of a US Coast Guard-appointed expert board’s probe into the catastrophic implosion of the Titan submersible last week." "American and Canadian marine authorities have announced investigations into the circumstances that led to the vessel’s malfunction after its chambers were found in a sea of debris 1,600ft from the wreck of the Titanic." I wonder if they have the expression about stable doors and horses over there. https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...-sub-implosion-voice-recordings-b2365481.html
They will go after the owners of the support vessel who knew of the contracts and the state of the submersible before the final dive. Culpability springs to mind along with joint and severable liability..
Would you think the Canadian authorities are culpable in any way. They've been aware of an unlicensed home made submaribe taking tourists to the bottom of the Atlantic and done nothing. I'd say that's criminal negligence.
Time will surely tell who gets nailed, some entity will almost certainly. One little snippet that I've seen today about the owner/adventurer of the submersible was that his Wife, Wendy Rush is related (albeit distantly) to Isidor & Ida Strauss who lost their lives on the Titanic
Isn't life full of these mad coincidences. I looked after an old run down villa in Antibes that had been owned by the Strauss family ... ... I embarrassed myself by assuming it was the composer It turned out to be your people, who'd never returned to the place which was virtually derelict when I was there.
What always strikes me as bizarre, and quite amusing, is when they send down a submarine, search for days and come back up with a tea cup. "isn't it incredible that this very tea cup was used by passengers on the Titanic before it sank." No, of course it's not incredible, it's a f**king tea cup They'd hardly be using it after it sank.
One of the ships steering position columns or it may have been a engine telegraph was raised and ended up on show in a , I think, Philadelphia museum..It should never have been recovered, it should have been left on the wreck. Thats what you get from a seafarer, albeit a short lived one.
It's a recent mass grave with close relatives, still alive, who lost people when it went down ... ... it isn't like a burial ground from the Bronze Age, although I don't them being disturbed either tbh.
Let's get it on display so people can go to gawp at it ... ... or 'push back the boundaries of human knowledge' as it's properly called.
I might be insensitive here. I would go and look if I could. I wouldnt take anything, I never would from any site, but I would love to visit the ship and see it in person. I think there is a certain respect afforded to those lost by being able to visit the site personally. Although I do accept that many may not see it that way, and paying £250k to do it makes it a somewhat seedy endeavour. I am not religious in any way but would it not be an appropriate thing, in some way, to say a prayer or something if you went down there? As a mark of respect? A minutes silence? Maybe I am clutching at straws a bit. I am just not sure, personally, things like this should be left alone because they are sites of tragedy or death. If ever things calm down in Ukraine I will go to Pripyat as a tourist, as an example of my keenness to see and experience things of such significance. There is probably a label for people like me, but I can promise I have respect.
That's all fair mate but I'll be blunt, no point mincing words. I believe that if this ship had been doing sea trials, sprung a leak and the crew taken off to sail back to port, no one would care less about seeing it. It's the ghoulish aspect, of 1500 people dying a horrifying frightening death, that draws sightseers ... ... it's not the ship people want to see, it's the tragedy.
Enjoyed this thread, mainly for the different viewpoints of the yes/no of visiting the Titanic. It's made me think a bit....would I like to see it? Yes, I would, and I've no idea why...I know it will never happen, but I would still like to. In a similar vein, I would also like to visit Auchwitz. Now this one, I know I can visit....yet probably never will. Similar with the Titanic, I can't reason why I would even want to go, but I just would. Thousands of people a year visit Auchwitz, and the few I know who have been all say they wouldn't go again, but were pleased they had.
It is fair enough mate. Tragedies do draw us in. I think for me it isnt so much goulish, but genuine interest in the history and the event. In this the ship was unsinkable and huge beyond comprehension. We know bodies arent to be seen, but infrastructure is. Not many ships sit upright. I dont know, just a personal opinion at the end of the day, I would go and see it if I could and not feel goulish or bad in any way about doing so. I would feel more aware of the history and event though.
I'm pleased you posted this. I've not read all the thread but in the mid to late eighties I was serving in Hohne, Northern Germany. A cracking posting but a bleak part of the Country, lots of open plains and tank roads. However, I lived only a couple of miles away and located the same distance from Bergen-Belsen, a well known concentration camp. I visited the place once, the huts, like in Auschwitz, were not there but there were numerous mass graves, all with a number allocated to them. That number correlated to the amount suspected of being buried there and it was in the tens of thousands. It was a haunting place, understandably bleak and in the two years posting, I never visited the place again. Long story to say that I think visiting such a bleak and haunting place is not to dissimilar to visiting the wreck of the Titanic (other than the difficulty).
I'd agree with this. I think for most people, the interest in visiting the Titanic would derive from the fact that it is so iconic, very familiar in many ways, and yet so inaccessible. To witness it for yourself, to get close to it, would be something. There mat be some people who are attracted by the tragedy element of it but I don't think you would find that in Titanic enthusiasts; you can see tragedy in other places much easier. As a maritime grave, I think its probably still inappropriate for tourists to visit. Scientific exploration should be allowed though. For example, the discovery of the Titanic and subsequent study of it has pushed forward our understanding of preservation conditions at that depth.
I've never been to Auschwitz but kind of feel like I should. I think its important that people can go there and witness the location of one of the worst events in global history to remind us all why we can never let something like that happen again.
The sister ship to the Titanic, Olympic, sailed for about thirty years and was then scrapped, as often happens, without a second glance. That could have just as easily been the Titanic. I've listened to the arguments but still don't believe the Titanic would attract sightseers even if it was declared unsinkable but was on sea trials when it went down with no casualties. There's plenty of footage of the ship before and since it sank so nothing more can be seen on a tourist trip, probably less. It's fascinating because it's a tragedy.
