Want a laugh, Liverpool fans view on Llambias comments

Again though OT when you are given 10m to spend over a 2 year period, you're going to have to try and sign a few cheapies. I'm sure he'd have preferred top striker to replace the injured Shearer and a top leftie but the board weren't having it. He made the best of a bad situation. We always looked less of team under Bobby when Shearer was ****ed and he got sympathy. Dalglish got none when Shearer was ****ed pre season and made only 17 appearances with 2 goals such was the severity of the injury. For sure he made bad buys too like Guivarch and Andersson wasting money in the process, but all manager smake bad buys. he never really got the time for his work to come to frution either, he was only here two seasons.

True like you say, they haven't of course been tested. They've yet to play us afterall!

 

Pouch, are you from Holland? Awful lot of 'for sures' sneaking in, have you been knocking around with Shteve McLaren?

 

hahahahaha this has cheered me up

for sure!

 

But we managed to complete for the title without Shearer, we had a solid team in the 90s and made wise purchases and sellings too. You make it sound as though 'we were screwed without Shearer so therefore what else could Dalglish have done?'
I sincerely don't rate Dalglish as a manager despite his successes. A gorilla in a suit could have won success with that insanely brilliant Liverpool team in the 80s, and Blackburn had the Premier League's greatest striker in arguably the form of his career at the time who was tearing the league a new arsehole with a competant partner.

A second point to add is that I don't honestly believe that a manager who finishes a consistent top 4 team in 13th deserves more time for his team to come into fruition; that isn't how you run a title challenging team, can you imagine if Villas Boas ended Chelsea's season in 13th? Who the hell would consider giving him more time for his team to come into fruition?

 

We were called deluded, and battered for chanting for Dalglish when Hodgson was here, they said Dalglish WOULDN'T do better than Hodgson, because the squad wasn't good enough. Then Dalglish came in and we flew up the table and were actually considered champions league contenders at one point. The only reason people stopped criticising us for that was because Dalglish got the results.

 

Hang on though, Roman Abramovich did not tell Villas Boas to sell players and cut the wage bill. I'm sure if he had been told to he would have and Chelsea would have found it a lot tougher. As a manager you're governed by two main things, the players you have at your disposal, and the finances you have to purchase other players. Tactical nous, training techniques, developing players is important but you need the raw ingriedients. Dalglish had no money and was told to weaken the squad he had at his dispoal. That spells downward turn even if you're Sir Alex Ferguson! What I'm saying is you can't ask a manager to win the title or maintain a top 4 place on a shoestring (10m in two years is relative to the time) I honestly think they used Dalglish to buy time before Robson was available. Well I would think that but for them giving Gullit the finances they did!

I don't mean we were screwed without Shearer. We competed for the league before though because we had the likes of Beardsley, Cole, Ferdinand before Shearer arrived. With Dalglish forced to sell Ferdinand and Tino, and bring in cheaper foreign players like Anderrsson, Jon Dahl Tomasson, we lost the strength in depth. These new guys were new to the league and everyone knows foreign players can take up to two years to settle. This meant both they and Dalglish were on a hiding to nothing.

It was a hiding to nothing from the start for Dalglish to follow Keegan. Two very different styles of management, successful in their own right, but ill placed for one to follow the other. If Dalglish had followed Robson for instance, I'm sure he'd have had a great time here. Indeed if the fans had been more patient and Freddie had backed him, I'm sure he could have done well here but Freddie didn't have Martin Edwards type patience and wanted it all yesterday.

 

Ferguson went from 2nd to 11th but the board kept faith in him, and it did kind of pay off for them.

 

by other fans maybe but not in the press

 

I totally accept that he had a lesser budget than in previous years. I also accept that a few of his signings went on to have good Newcastle careers years down the line. But with any budget, to bring in his ageing old buddies as short term and some really miserable spendings as long term is poor and you could argue he could have done much better. You've mentioned that he was forced to sell Ferdinand, I can't comment on that and will take it on faith because I simply can't remember - I was reasonably young at the time. But didn't he alienate Ginola by not considering him to be all that great? (The same man who, supposedly according to Beardsley, never fancied him for all that great a player either).
I simply stand by the belief that with what he had available to him, he should have done better. He strikes me as a manager who goes for much hyped players in what he possibly doesnt even realise is a massive gamble. His recent purchases of Carroll, Adam and Henderson ring true to this too.

And Lucaaas, good point and very true perhaps I was a bit rash, but - could we not argue that in the 80s was a much more erratic league, a league where positions varied much more than in the premier league from the mid-late 90s onwards? Over the last perhaps 15 years, a manager losing grip on the top 4 is treated almost like a manager suffering relegation, it's a more drastic and ruthless slip up. (Again - too young to know this first hand but it's what I am led to believe.)

 

That's a fair point, and it probably has some merit, I don't doubt it was a rare occurance that time for a team to drop so much in one season but the problem with appointing Dalglish after Keegan is that as Warm Pouch says their footballing philosiphies and ideas differ so much that it was always going to take time to overhaul the squad and change it around. The chairman/board should've made the decision before the summer window to stick with Dalglish for the season or not. It was poor business for everyone to let Dalglish spend that money then sack him 2 games into the season. Dalglish's signings were mostly rubbish, true, but it would've been interesting to see what he could've done with some of them, as he also made some decent signings who improved the team or would've improved the team and turned you into a solid unit that were hard to beat, people like Hamann, Speed, Dabizas, Solano and Given who ended up having good careers or at Newcastle or in Hamann's case at Liverpool.

 

Chuckled at the bin dippers calling our city.... And theres is a crime free, cosmopolitan titan next to their small Manchester neighbours...

 

Keegan walked the first time because the club was going to go public and he didn't want to answer to a board of shareholders. The initial plan was to take Robson from Barcelona but he thought he had another 4 years managing there so turned us down. Dalglish was the next best choice at the time. Won cups at his previous clubs and, being unemployed, could come straight in. He finished the season taking Keegans team to second. He failed in my eyes because HIS team finished 13th. You can argue he had to cut the wage bill and was given little money to spend, but this wouldn't have been done in secrecy to him. He would have been well aware of the facts and figures and he chose to dismantle a squad built on attacking football and a "we'll score more" principle with the view of making a defensively sound Liverpool type team. Solid at the back, wins 1-0. Knowing full well he had no money to do it. He alienated players and shifted out the attacking nucleus of the team but never strengthened the defence, preferring to bring in mates like Rush and Barnes (and I'm confident they were on massive wages at the time) who were past it. He was and it seems still is the kind of manager who needs big names knowing they will perform (for Shearer and Pearce read Gerrard and Carragher) but he can't handle lesser figures and new arrivals. (Tomasson, Andersson, Guivarch; Carroll, Henderson?) Managers will always sign the odd poor player, but Dalglish put(s) too much pressure on new, young (in Newcastle's case foreign) players to perform instantly. He can't man manage.

 

I think we can all agree that most Newcastle fans can't stand Dalglish because of his previous tenure at the club and for buying Carroll and Enrique (even though you got the better deal), I can accept that. But I don't get the problem geordies have when we call him 'King Kenny' when you lot use the term 'King Kev'?
Dalglish has had that nickname for years from what he achieved as a player/manager for us, it's even used in our song 'Fields of Anfield road'. Just don't get why you guys have such a big problem with it and bring it up al the time.

 

because we were slaughtered for it in the press, wheras you were praised. same thing happened with protests about owners. and for 'expecting to win things', even though we dont (and im sure you dont either), but with us it's 'deluded geordies lol' and with you its the 'long suffering (5 years) liverpool fans deserve a trophy because of their loyal fanbase and footballing history'.

You're media darlings and cant do anything wrong, we're media scapegoats, and they jump on us with relish any time anything happens. It's annoying when you're on the ****e end of a double standard.

 

not just in the press but certain fans the most vocal being the dippers and the mackems what was funny about the dippers though was about a year later it happened to them and they wanted support from other clubs ...twats

 

This, the media love Liverpool and hate us. Despite the fact we've filled their papers for so bloody long

 

Totally agree, Plus why are like 2/3 of pundits ex Liverpool players or some how related to the club!!

 

I really can't be arsed going through the childish debate of the media hating X club and loving Y club. Its pathetic. Got to laugh at the bitterness on here towards Liverpool though, I can imagine most of you frothing from your mouths' like rabid dogs if we referred to Newcastle fans as their stereotype which aren't close to being accurate.

 

not the press i've got the beef with it's the great support your fans amongst others villa and the mackems come to mind also but the mackems can be forgiven as we are rivals when it was going tits up for us then like i say when it started looking dodgy for your lot you expected everyone to support you in your quest to get the owners out when all you did with us was take the piss and laugh

 

What a lovely white horse you've rode in on, be a dear and don't let it **** on our carpet.