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Daily Racing Thread Saturday 24th. June 2024

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  1. attivo

    attivo Well-Known Member

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    Saturday's Meetings

    Royal Ascot
    Flat 7 Races 2:30-6:10p.m.
    Ayr
    Flat 7 Races 1:15-4:54p.m.
    Newmarket
    Flat 7 Races 1:32-5:09p.m.
    Redcar
    Flat 7 Races 1:37-5:15p.m.
    Perth
    N/H 7 Races 1:42-5:17p.m.
    Down Royal
    Flat 7 Races 2:00-5:40p.m.
    Limerick(E)
    Flat 7 Races 5:23-8:30p.m.
    Lingfield(E)
    Flat 7 Races 5:50-8:50p.m.
    Haydock(E)
    Flat 6 Races 6:00-8:40p.m.

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    Good Luck <ok>
     
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  2. stick

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    The Wokingham is always a tough race to crack and whilst in my view tomorrows race looks a pretty mediocre renewal it certainly doesnt make it look any easier tonight. when trying to find the winner of these cavalry charges I always prefer runners that have shown they have the capability of winning in large field races. Of course this can often scratch the winner espescially if a lightly raced improving type heads the market. However I still think its a good starting point if you want a run for your money.
    Not too many fit the bill tomorrow but that is no guarantee that the winner is on the shortlist. Pace has looked of supreme importance at Ascot this week with most horses involved in the finishes coming from the same group but without showing any inbalance from stand side to far side, To further complicate this I believe the pace will come from the centre of the track tomorrow. If a group develops between 10 and 20 tomorrow then those horses will, in my view, have a bit of an advantage.
    Lethal Levi is the likely pacemaker down the middle and he is interesting as, ridiculous as it may sound, he just might get an easy lead. He has no course form but has won from a decent sized field at Newmarket. The biggest negative about him is that he runs off a career high mark but as a 4yo he still could very easily have his best days ahead of him as a sprinter. Drawn not too far away from him is Mr Wagyu. He was fourth in this last year beaten only just over two lengths and arrives this year on a mark that is 5lb lower. Last time he looked to do too much too early but he had previuosly run a cracker in the dash at Epsom. He won the Stewards consolation at Goodwood from a huge field in 21 and the Scurry Handicap at the Curragh last year from a higher mark than he races off today. If he can get a nice lead from Lethal Levi then it is very possible that this year he might hit the front at the right time.
    Fresh also fits the bill with some very good wins at the course. He couldnt be described as massively well in at the weights but if regaining his best form he can certainly go close off his current mark. The negative for me is the draw as I cannot see much pace around him.
    Bielsa comes here in form and has big race credentials but I think his revised mark gives him plenty to do.
    Finally the old boy Summerghand who really is a bit of a legend in big field handicaps. His current mark must give him a great chance and if the race is run to suit I can certainly see him being in the mix at the finish.
     
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  3. Grade One

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    5pm-Saint Lawrence

    Each Way @ 18-1 [Bet 365] 6 places

    First run for stable who are having a good Royal Ascot
     
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    The draw bias was so clear in the race last year, Stall 21 led most of the way and then those drawn higher came up the rail to win the race. This year we don't seem to have much pace which means Mr Wagyu might be the key horse in the race, he runs prominently and he is a tough horse to crack. He would be the placepot horse.

    I am hopeful that those drawn higher will be able to come up the rail though, and for me it is the Watson and Hollie Doyle pairing that looks very interesting. A double penalty of selections for Saint Lawrence!

    I think I will also perm the top 6 in the draw in forecasts and tricasts too. Might as well lose more money!
     
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  5. QuarterMoonII

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    This is ridiculous... Do not shoot the messenger time...

    My mate has been given a tip for the Wokingham (easiest race at Ascot):

    Ascot 5:00 – Mr Wagyu: the Quinn yard has just 3 winners from 32 runners this month but this was fourth last year.

    What can I say? If you are going to back it find a bookie that is paying about fifteen places. The race is a lottery and the way the results have been going this week I would say it is way too short a price to win!
     
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    Royal Ascot
    15,05 Olivia Maralda 6/1
    15,40 Run To Freedom 25/1 e/w bet365 and PP five places
    17,00 King's Lynn 20/1 e/w PP and betfair six places, 16/1 sky eight places
    17,10 Run For Oscar 3/1
     
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  7. NassauBoard

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    people still pissing on your chips?
     
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    He’s a really short price but COVEY is very highly thought of by Juddmonte. I was at the stud the day after his win at HQ back in April and everyone there was raving about him. I was surprised they ran him in a handicap last time out given their high opinion of him, so can only presume they were just trying to get a run into him ahead of this race.
     
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  9. QuarterMoonII

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    I know that most punters at Royal Ascot are fashionistas there to be seen but when I saw that they were betting 125 per cent over-round and the leaders in the betting were shortening in the Albany, I thought they had lost all sense of their money.

    The longest race in the calendar is the last and obviously gets targeted by National Hunt trainers with slow old plodders. Put the usual line through the massive field handicaps and the two year old races. The way the sprints have gone it is easy to duck the Jubilee Stakes, where half the runners ran in the same race last year and will finish in a different order today, perhaps with one of the overseas raiders winning.

    With Hukum now a non runner, Free Wind is too short to be of interest but I expect Frankie to win his last Hardwicke on the Gosden mare. I see there has been a general shortening of the prices on Frankie’s last day mounts, including his last one in the 5:35.

    On first appearances, half the runners in the Jersey Stakes (3:05) are just making up the numbers as they have previously finished behind other runners or have to find huge improvement on their official ratings; however, we have seen a couple do just that this week. Holloway Boy has only ever won once – first time out in last year’s Chesham. He subsequently placed in good pattern company but he faded out of the Guineas on his return and now drops in trip trying to return to form in a field where a couple of lightly raced ones may improve past him. Given the dreadful form of Moulton Paddocks, I cannot make a case for the now gelded Mysterious Night under a penalty. Aidan O’Brien’s The Antarctic also has a penalty and his second in the Middle Park (Zoology behind) is probably the best piece of domestic form on offer. He should be okay with the step up to seven today and he really ought to be the favourite if just using form in the book. Covey has made all the running in his last three races and the son of Frankel is clearly better than his 100 rating. He put ten rivals to the sword in the Silver Bowl at Haydock last time after two penalty kicks in small fields at Newcastle and HQ so it is very possible that he could justify his short odds here on the way to better things; however, he does not hold any big pattern race entries. His only defeat was on debut to experienced Zoology. My problem with this race is trainer related. Roger Varian has had a mixed meeting with several of his fancied runners being opposed in the betting and then running badly whilst he has picked up a couple of races. Enfjaar has won both his starts, a seven furlong HQ juvenile maiden that featured the likes of Military Order and Laafi; and an effortless win in a mile race on the kitty litter at Chelmsford. He holds no big race entries but I wonder why he is dropping back to seven furlongs here as he steps up in class. Crowley will be aboard today for the first time. Olivia Maralda switched yards over the winter and faded into seventh in the 1000 Guineas on her reappearance. Last time she won the Surrey Stakes at Epsom under today’s jockey, where Holguin and Streets Of Gold filled the places and subsequent winner He’s A Monster was well behind. With the fillies’ allowance here, I think she rates as a strong form contender but I am going to wait until nearer the race to see if she stinks in the betting...

    Time to start looking at Sunday’s Pontefract card – Sky Bet putting up some decent prize money again, won’t be any worse than their card at Beverley the other week and I won’t be in West Yorkshire paying £7 a pint... <laugh>
     
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  10. Bustino74

    Bustino74 Thouroughbred Breed Enthusiast

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    Golden Mind is the horse to take out of the Chesham. My guess is that Fahey will not be best pleased with his stable jockey's ride. He was well positioned at half way but then let half the field overtake him before getting down to work. Just inexperience by the jockey, but it doesn't take away from the colt's performance.
     
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    Chaninbar The Crafty Cockney

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    I love the Pyledriver story but surely has to get kicked out for that
     
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    Bustino74 Thouroughbred Breed Enthusiast

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    He won on merit didn't he? I don't think Chaangeoftheguard would have beaten him. The jockey should have kept riding hands and heels.He'll get a nice holiday.
    The commentator overstated how much he pulled. Yes he did for a furlong but after that the jockey had to keep taking the odd tug because the pace was too slow at times.
     
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    Chaninbar The Crafty Cockney

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    It was like a donkey derby. I agree the comms did overstate Pyledriver pulling at the start. Ryan Moore couldn’t be less interested in the stewards room.
     
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    WON @ 22-1 :emoticon-0168-drink:emoticon-0152-heart
     
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    Superb <applause>
     
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    <applause><applause><applause>
     
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    I am going to assume that you did not post that tongue-in-check because you were on the runner-up. Apologies for aftertiming as the race was 16 plus hours ago, but there was never any chance of Pyledriver losing the race.

    Under a right handed drive, the horse hung to the left (as he had done on the same track last year). P J McDonald switched his whip to the other hand and pulled the reins to correct the horse and he then hung to the right. The horse that he interfered with, Changingoftheguard, was never going to finish second and his jockey Ryan Moore knew as much and did not try to argue that black was white with the stewards. The best horse on the day won.

    In this circumstance, I have to wonder why the stewards waited to interview the jockeys when they could have reviewed the head-on video and the side-on video, reached the correct conclusion themselves (result unaffected) and then called in the winning jockey and given him a couple of days holiday for a minor careless riding offence.

    When you look at the scrimmaging that has gone on in some of the big fields on the straight course during the week it would make a totally mockery of the game if they had changed the result in a seven runner race, which would have seen the winning connections successfully appeal the decision but many punters not paid out on the rightful winner (such as on the Worldpool). Some lucky punters bought some money on Betfair backing the horse to keep the race at 1.02 – better than the interest rate on my bank account!
     
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    You need to change bank accounts.

    agree with you on the race though, and stewarding in general. The result was never going to be changed and it was a waste of time. I don’t see the point in interviewing jockeys either, it’s totally pointless as we saw in the Aintree G1 juvenile hurdle shambles.
     
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    I didn't have a penny on the race but I thought it should have been disqualified. Was as bad a piece of interference as I've seen in a long time. Cut across both the runner up and 3rd, neither would have won regardless and the best horse in the race definitely won but it was pretty bad, bordering on dangerous, especially to the Moore horse. Stewards have no balls in this country. Anywhere else in the world they'd have disqualified the winner.
     
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    Did the interference effect the result in any way?
     
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