Off Topic Titanic submersible goes missing

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tigermaul said:
Well I don’t think that should be the case when those involved themselves have almost limitless financial resources, and the mission is utterly reckless.
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Most people who are rescued by coastguard, mountain rescue or similar, particularly when doing their hobbies, make a decent donation in return. There is no obligation to obviously but the majority do offer what they can afford to. You would think mega rich business men would probably make a decent sized one.
 
I suppose it was only a matter of time before some or someone chose to politicise this event and began to compare it with other loss of life.I see no difference in anyone losing their lives at sea,rich or poor,irrespective of standing in life.

Just out of interest,I didn't see a thread set up on here for the Greek capsize,have I missed it?

I believe that the search and rescue involved in trying to find the submersible was valid.There was a chance that 5 men could've been saved from death in a metal tomb at the foot of the ocean,it turned out it was probably too late...Perhaps they were blessed after all and didn't need to sit pondering for 96 hours?

I also believe there was a search and rescue operation carried out in the Aegean recently and that too was valid but sadly they didn't find many alive and the operation quickly became a body recovery issue...

To be clear.Both were risky and foolhardy acts at best and both cost the unnecessary loss of life...Tragic,Both!!!
 
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Ric Glasgow said:
I suppose it was only a matter of time before some or someone chose to politicise this event and began to compare it with other loss of life.I see no difference in anyone losing their lives at sea,rich or poor,irrespective of standing in life.

Just out of interest,I didn't see a thread set up on here for the Greek capsize,have I missed it?

I believe that the search and rescue involved in trying to find the submersible was valid.There was a chance that 5 men could've been saved from death in a metal tomb at the foot of the ocean,it turned out it was probably too late...Perhaps they were blessed after all and didn't need to sit pondering for 96 hours?

I also believe there was a search and rescue operation carried out in the Aegean recently and that too was valid but sadly they didn't find many alive and the operation quickly became a body recovery issue...

To be clear.Both were risky and foolhardy acts at best and both cost the unnecessary loss of life...Tragic,Both!!!
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I reckon the implosion happened the moment they lost contact with the surface. Probably fatigue to the sub and then sudden change in pressure.
 
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Amin Yapusi said:
Most people who are rescued by coastguard, mountain rescue or similar, particularly when doing their hobbies, make a decent donation in return. There is no obligation to obviously but the majority do offer what they can afford to. You would think mega rich business men would probably make a decent sized one.
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Well, my brother in law who was won awards for bravery and skill as coxswain on an inshore rescue boat as well as on the lifeboat would say different. But would he know compared to someone stuck in the middle of the country. I remember being at North Landing at Flamborough when a helicopter was dispatched to winch up 3 kids who had drifted out on an inflatable. There were warning signs but parents still don’t stop their kids.,The lifeboat had been launched, people dashing from work with the agreement of their employers and they were transferred to that. When they landed they hopped off and said to their dad “That was a good laugh.” “I bet it was” he replied and off they wandered with not so much as a thankyou.
Saw similar in a documentary about this bloke. I knew a fisherman relative of his. He was not the fine bloke Brian was.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...tires-from-sea-and-the-limelight-9250140.html
 
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Ric Glasgow said:
I also believe there was a search and rescue operation carried out in the Aegean recently and that too was valid but sadly they didn't find many alive and the operation quickly became a body recovery issue...

To be clear.Both were risky and foolhardy acts at best and both cost the unnecessary loss of life...Tragic,Both!!!
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Agreed, both tragic, but not sure the search and rescue ops were exactly equivalent. The evidence emerging seems to show that the Greek Coastguard's initial story about their actions seems unreliable, looks like they sat and watched for quite a long time, and finally put a tow rope onboard which may well have caused the capsizing of the vessel. That story has disappeared from the headlines a lot quicker than this one will, despite the hugely greater number of lives lost.

On a more Hull-centric note, compare the publicity and expense of the search for this vessel with what happens when occasionally a trawler or small fishing boat goes missing.
 
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Ric Glasgow said:
I suppose it was only a matter of time before some or someone chose to politicise this event and began to compare it with other loss of life.I see no difference in anyone losing their lives at sea,rich or poor,irrespective of standing in life.

Just out of interest,I didn't see a thread set up on here for the Greek capsize,have I missed it?

I believe that the search and rescue involved in trying to find the submersible was valid.There was a chance that 5 men could've been saved from death in a metal tomb at the foot of the ocean,it turned out it was probably too late...Perhaps they were blessed after all and didn't need to sit pondering for 96 hours?

I also believe there was a search and rescue operation carried out in the Aegean recently and that too was valid but sadly they didn't find many alive and the operation quickly became a body recovery issue...

To be clear.Both were risky and foolhardy acts at best and both cost the unnecessary loss of life...Tragic,Both!!!
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My apologies, here is another pic to get things back on track...

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Ric Glasgow said:
I suppose it was only a matter of time before some or someone chose to politicise this event and began to compare it with other loss of life.I see no difference in anyone losing their lives at sea,rich or poor,irrespective of standing in life.

Just out of interest,I didn't see a thread set up on here for the Greek capsize,have I missed it?

I believe that the search and rescue involved in trying to find the submersible was valid.There was a chance that 5 men could've been saved from death in a metal tomb at the foot of the ocean,it turned out it was probably too late...Perhaps they were blessed after all and didn't need to sit pondering for 96 hours?

I also believe there was a search and rescue operation carried out in the Aegean recently and that too was valid but sadly they didn't find many alive and the operation quickly became a body recovery issue...

To be clear.Both were risky and foolhardy acts at best and both cost the unnecessary loss of life...Tragic,Both!!!
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It seems that it was known or at least on balance known at the time that the capsule had imploded on the descent, and it seems rather callous, if that was the case, that this story of hearing noises etc was just delaying what was probably already known.
 
John Ex Aberdeen now E.R. said:
It seems that it was known or at least on balance known at the time that the capsule had imploded on the descent, and it seems rather callous, if that was the case, that this story of hearing noises etc was just delaying what was probably already known.
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Deliberately callous? No, maube more a case of not giving away how much underwater listening goes on, and how sensitive it is. Then again, why admit to it days after the event?

Though why people, especially professionals, would descend to such depths in something that not all the money in the world would get me into to explore an overlarge paddling pool never mind somethings miles beneath the waves.
 
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Asterix said:
Deliberately callous? No, maube more a case of not giving away how much underwater listening goes on, and how sensitive it is. Then again, why admit to it days after the event?

Though why people, especially professionals, would descend to such depths in something that not all the money in the world would get me into to explore an overlarge paddling pool never mind somethings miles beneath the waves.
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There is a conspiracy theory going around saying Biden wanted to keep the story going to deflect interest in the media on his son. It does seem odd that the US navy came out later to say they heard the noise of the implosion but did report it until later.
 
John Ex Aberdeen now E.R. said:
There is a conspiracy theory going around saying Biden wanted to keep the story going to deflect interest in the media on his son. It does seem odd that the US navy came out later to say they heard the noise of the implosion but did report it until later.
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I mean, that is really grasping at straws as a lot of conspiracy theories are. But some conspiracy theories turn out to be true so who knows?
 
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